The instructions are simple...
Alleged ute speeding is immaterial. Cop was across the road in a bad place, regardless of his stated reason why.Originally Posted by Patrick
Bike speeding? The rider's attempts to stop/avoid the cop car will no doubt be obvious in the marks left. From those, I believe the SCU is pretty good at determining the speed involved. 5 minutes on a calculator should do it...
The fact that there is a deafening silence as regards the speed of the bike could be indicative of what their calcs showed.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Hardcore Biker
You obviously know absolutely nothing about crash investigation, the standard involved, and the reviews that any findings will be subject too.
The instructions are simple...
I know enough to know that I don't know a lot. True.
However, the double fatality on SH5 a week or so ago...headon between SUV and SW. The very next day the cops were saying they knew which vehicle crossed the line, but were not going to release that info.
Determining speed might be a little more difficult, sure, but the fact is, they must know what speed the bike was doing, yet they are not even hinting. Unlike the Buller Gorge episode...
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Loud and Uncouth
You summed up a shit-load of KB posters....
Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........
" Life is not a rehearsal, it's as happy or miserable as you want to make it"
Hardcore Biker
Thats true we know nothing...makes it even more simple for cops to fuck with evidence and come up with "inconclusive" results of investigation....You summed up a shit-load of KB posters....
In the end SCU will say that cop wasnt even driving the car at the time or sun was in his eyes and he couldnt see or any such bullshit and he will get away scot free... mark my words thats exactly whats going to happen.
Loud and Uncouth
And ain't THAT the truth...enjoy!
Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........
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Tornado Alley
Hoping more for some to wake up and smell the coffee. Obviously hoping for too much..... Counting down to newxt biker down thread......
Just from the marks? Sorry, fella.... there is a shit load more than that. There is mapping, there is toxicology, there is plenty of other things that need to be checked, all the tees crossed, i's dotted.... just so there can be no claim of a coverup/conspiracy......
And when that doesn't happen... like it didn't happen in the Buller Gorge thing, like so many said it would......
The instructions are simple...
The physical evidence left on the road will be the determining factor in deciding what speed the biker was doing. The point from which he 'should have seen' the car blocking the road to the point where the skid marks start will be used (in conjunction with said tox report) and factoring in the rider's likely reaction time, should tell the SCU what speed he was doing at the point he began braking. Assumptions from that will be weighed against the indicative speed from the skid marks. So they have 2 distinct factors to determine the likely speed of the bike.
Just from the marks? Sorry, fella.... there is a shit load more than that. There is mapping, there is toxicology, there is plenty of other things that need to be checked, all the tees crossed, i's dotted.... just so there can be no claim of a coverup/conspiracy......
N'est pas?
All I am saying is - the silence on what that speed was is 'interesting', esp when the Buller Gorge event had howls of 'Those bikers were speeding" from the cop/s before the dust had even settled.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Loud and Uncouth
And so the tumbril crowded with KB 'Monday morning quarter-backs', arm-chair experts and key-board warriors rumbles on relentlessly....
Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........
" Life is not a rehearsal, it's as happy or miserable as you want to make it"
Hardcore Biker
And so the tumbril crowded with KB 'Monday morning quarter-backs', arm-chair experts and key-board warriors rumbles on relentlessly....
Those key-board warriors and arm-chair experts happen to be taxpayers and people that vote just like you... so just because you've spend month in academy jerking around in a holden around some cones and got badge at the end of it doesnt make you guys any more "expert" than any of us "mere mortals" that are here on KB!
Forum whore
Quite agree.
However, the time spent at the college and the time spent in the job tells us how the politics and practicalities of evidence collection and analysis takes time. Too much time.
The only thing worse than an investigation that takes ages is one that is brief and comes up with an incorrect result.
Let's face it, regardless of the facts, everyone on here has already declared the Popo guilty. He may be, but until it gets the judicial rubber stamp, it ain't official.
In truth, I do wonder why things take so long, but I'd still rather they took their time and did it properly. Until I know exactly the complexities of the case in point, I'm not going to judge the investigation.
Assuming that we on KB know all the facts is just a little dangerous, so I ain't falling into that trap.
So there.
Loud and Uncouth
Pffft!
ROFL to the max...
I guess it's a good way to look at any job you've never done, easy way out....
Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........
" Life is not a rehearsal, it's as happy or miserable as you want to make it"
Recovered workaholic.
They were pretty quick to charge the guy who lost control and went up onto the footpath killing that kid. Why are they dragging the chain on this one?
If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!
Never, never give in.
A GOOD comparison?
It's OK to disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.
Hardcore Biker
How do you know that he hasn't been charged?
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