Not strictly true.Originally Posted by davereid
In Switzerland, where registered military arms are stored in most residences,has a very low crime rate
Forum whore
Not strictly true.
In Switzerland, where registered military arms are stored in most residences,has a very low crime rate
Forum whore
I love the wankers who are claiming that the high powered air rifle is the "weapon of choice" for criminals.
If criminals are choosing airguns that cost 10 times as much,have one tenth the projectile energy, and can't be cut down ,they are as stupid as I thought they are.
Moped rider
Actually YES we did have it here. why wont it work? google canada gun registry. or UK. Or australia. each time a spectacular failure with no benefit. Do you really think the guy thats going to rob the bank with an illegal firearm is going to register it?
In fact in canada it is such a failure (over 2 billion dollars when it was said it would cost in the region of 10 million) that they are in the process of repealling it. Not to mention the number of security breaches the system has had.
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I believe that they are a couple of years too late. A survey ship was based in Bluff and conducted extensive survey work off of the west coast of NZ. The results of that survey should be ready quite soon, in fact.
Not true. We STILL have registration here. Anything apart from "A-Cat" firearms are registered.
You would be surprised to find out how badly that process is managed and how many innaccuracies there are in that system.
As scary as it seems, America WAS planning the requirement of a laser engraved serial number on EVERY round of ammunition manufactured.
Imagine the wonderful amounts of bureaucracy that hair brained scheme would have produced!
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troglodytam extraordinaire
So because it fails we should just throw it away and do nothing?
We should then just do away with all laws and go for a free for all because eveyone knows putting people in jail doesn't work either. people still drive with no licence, WOF or rego so lets not have to worry about them. people still murder others, beat kids, steal, lie, cheat and give laws the big finger so lets say fuck it bring it on and may the best man (or women) win.
All you people are quick to bag anything new (or old as i have told) but have no anwsers, well ones that are worth anything (i liked oldriders one), but then i forget this is KB where its all about who can find the most people to whine on any given subject.
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yes, throw it away and come up with something better or do nothing. Plenty of revenue is gathered with license and wof's both from tickets and actually paying them, and the amount of times I've failed a wof would sometimes make my car safer. Jail does work cos the fuckers can't steal or kill (anyone significant) while they are in there.
We may have no answers, but at least our way wont inconvenience the lawful while doing nothing to the lawless.
Personally I think we need to give people defending their homes a bit more leeway, someone breaks in, shoot him in the kneecap, someone breaks in with a gun, shoot him in the head.
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
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There is a vast difference between having nothing and having a seriously flawed system that does not do what it was intended for. Registration was done away with because it was so ineffective and a burden on resources that could be better utilised elsewhere.
NZ already has the most effective and robust solution for the perceived problem.
Remember that criminals are not concerned about or bound by any system, so the only people to be regulated are the law abiding.
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The 2nd-most bad arse KBer.
Lets just humor you for a second.
lets imagine that somehow the cops know every firearm in nz- they are registered and the cops know about all selling and buying (currently they do know about all legal mail/internet orders )...
How are you going to keep track of the millions of firearms currently in NZ that no one knows about? What about the 1000's of guns the criminals already have? Are they magically going to disappear? Look at the states, i they have some very strict rules on gun rego (even the bullets have to have serial numbers) yet their gun crime is huge.
the basic flaw with gun rego (to stop crime) is criminals don't abide by laws. Its their job to break the law. If they are prepared to kill someone, they are prepared to not register their guns.
Drugs are illegal, and they get smuggled into / made in NZ. You think guns don't? Ha.
There are a few main reasons why I (as a shooter) am opposed to this law.
1. I don't like anyone having a list of what firearms I have in my house. Trademe keeps a list of all firearm transactions and there has already been a case where a bunch of criminals got thousands of trademe records, as well as the seller/buyers address's! Given to them by the police! So a large amount of criminals got given basically a shopping list!
2. IT will have NO effect on gun crime, or police knowledge on firearms available.
3. It will cost the law abiding citizen. You think this will all be done for free? Ha!, who's going to pay? Me. I don't have money to through around on nothing.
4. We had it before, it didn't work, it wont work, and it was well proven that it is not needed at all.
5. NZ has a very low gun crime rate. Why? Because our laws actually work, (they are not perfect by any means)
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Just faidin away!
Did you all notice the recent TV news item about the "Asian" drug and money laundering ring that was busted by NZ police? (Well done police)
The rather large cache of "quality" arms they had would of course "all" been registered! Yeah right!
Hardcore Biker
My words exactly in the firearm thread J. More laws for the law-abiding. Nothing to hinder the crims as usual.Did you all notice the recent TV news item about the "Asian" drug and money laundering ring that was busted by NZ police? (Well done police)
The rather large cache of "quality" arms they had would of course "all" been registered! Yeah right!
"Age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill"
Plodding along at his own pace
And that hits the nail on the head, there are already numbers of firearms in criminal hands, they will never be registered.Did you all notice the recent TV news item about the "Asian" drug and money laundering ring that was busted by NZ police? (Well done police)
The rather large cache of "quality" arms they had would of course "all" been registered! Yeah right!
What would really help is more effort put into the detection of unlawful firearms, ammunition and components on the front line particularly on our boarders but in an effort to satisfy expensive pay increases to higher level bureaucrats front line staff numbers get reduced and the elected government can say hey look we saved money. There will be a tipping point somewhere, and we may have passed it, where the numbers of firearms available to the criminal element will require armed law enforcement, one hopes should that ever happen there is better training than a course and once a year re-qualification. Personally I would be concerned if we go down that road, sure we have experienced calmer officers on the front line but there are some young, (and not so young), who would see their roles as a power trip.
Its not the destination that is important its the journey.
Hardcore Biker
The answer is to register Green supporters. When stupidity starts to rise (does it ever fall?) ship them to Australia and raise the IQ of both countries
The 2nd-most bad arse KBer.
Go take a look at any pistol range after the police have finished using it... you'll be surprised to where you'll find the bullets (or so im told!)
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Firebird
Swoop had the best answer so far.
burn them hippies!
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Just make sure you stand upwind when doing so...
They smell funny.
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