Greens = numpties.

**Delerium** · 28th July 2010, 10:33

Originally Posted by jahrasti

What the fuck do you know? Did your sister tell you that after a good inbred fuck session?

The courier driver tragedy, well it was a tragedy but I believe that given a soldier or a competitive shooter, there could well have been the same outcome.

But please enlighten me on your wisdom on the subject

Police shoot once a year with pistols to remain current. a civilian owner MUST shoot 12 times a year to retain their license, and they are not doing it in high stress situations. Shooting a pistol effectively requires a lot of training, particularly in high stress and dynamic environments (action shooters routinely use 10,000 rounds plus a year)

**T.W.R** · 28th July 2010, 10:37

Originally Posted by geoffm

I reload my own, I don't buy ammo...

Still have to buy Primers, Powder, & projectiles

and cartridges can only be reloaded so many times before they're naffed

**Delerium** · 28th July 2010, 10:37

Originally Posted by cowpoos

What should happen...is all ammo that is purchased needs to be picked up from the police station...no matter what it is...slug gun pellets,arrows,shotgun cartridges,etc...

Would allow police to get an eye on volume...and any dodgy people wanting amo for anything....and the administration argument is a no brainer...police take a 10% mark up at least.

This will create a black market, and not really help in much way, increase the beauraucracy (sp) and cost. They will also have to store everything that realoaders use... you will need a MASSIVE ware house, and what about the people that live an hour from the nearest police station?

The licensed users in NZ dont enjoy the fact that firearms crime exists, we support workable measure to prevent it, but placing more restrictions on those that already abide by the law does not affect the criminally inclined.

**Banditbandit** · 28th July 2010, 11:31

Originally Posted by Delerium

This will create a black market, and not really help in much way, increase the beauraucracy (sp) and cost. They will also have to store everything that realoaders use... you will need a MASSIVE ware house, and what about the people that live an hour from the nearest police station?

The licensed users in NZ dont enjoy the fact that firearms crime exists, we support workable measure to prevent it, but placing more restrictions on those that already abide by the law does not affect the criminally inclined.

There's already a black market ... you can't legally buy ammunition without a firearms licence - how many crims have one? Having a conviction often means one is revoked .. with little chance of getting it back ..

**BoristheBiter** · 28th July 2010, 12:10

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

I know .. now you're going to accuse me of being a tree-hugging wimping liberal ... I might agree .. it's been many years since I shot ... (ooops .. can't say that here ...

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please lets not go there again.

**Swoop** · 28th July 2010, 12:21

Originally Posted by Delerium

It isnt accurate at all. What benefit did it provide the canadians, australians and the UK, stuff all.

It kept a lot of shiney-arses employed shuffling paper and disappearing up their own fundamental orifice.

**jahrasti** · 28th July 2010, 13:55

Originally Posted by Delerium

Police shoot once a year with pistols to remain current. a civilian owner MUST shoot 12 times a year to retain their license, and they are not doing it in high stress situations. Shooting a pistol effectively requires a lot of training, particularly in high stress and dynamic environments (action shooters routinely use 10,000 rounds plus a year)

Yes I know of the requirements to remain current with your endosement. With out nitpicking it is twice a year for the popos

A mate of mine who is a very busy competition shooter actually failed the qual one time

hehe I still give him shit.

The point I have been trying to make is that a balance must be struck between training and peeps out on the street.

I would love to be able to go to the range an extra 12 times a year for free. That is an extra 12 days give or take a few hours each person each year there are not doing their job. Plus other mandated training (continuation training on other stuff).

Each time someone is training then they are not doing whatever they do. Some of it can be absorbed into training days for sure. Do we then need more people in the popo's to allow the minimum training requirements (12 days on the range) to be met? I don't don't think the gobermint would be keen on that.

My views on the firearms training, I believe to be a fair assessment. It is not coloured with rose coloured glasses with generic all is fine type statements.

I am lucky to be into firearms , been in the Military (cannon fodder) and now part of the big blue gang. The AWQ (qual shoot) for the Arminy is once a year

some do it more, some lucky to do it once a year but any soldier could be called upon to go somewhere at short notice.

If the people (voters) could get more training out of the gobermint, I would be jumping for joy.

Statements like "'meriken cops are always at the range" get thrown about. I am curious as to how much they are actually at the range same with aussie. I would like to know.

**Delerium** · 28th July 2010, 14:24

Agreed, more range time requried, but I suspect its a case of time and $$$ that is stopping it, and there is a lot of misconceptions kicking around.

**jahrasti** · 28th July 2010, 15:27

Originally Posted by Delerium

Agreed, more range time requried, but I suspect its a case of time and $$$ that is stopping it, and there is a lot of misconceptions kicking around.

look here mister, how dare you post shit like that

I might have to start agreeing with you and where will that get us?

Seriously though I agree about the misconceptions. It is easy to bag the popo's with generic statements. The first bit of your post well I will have to keep that as an inside thought

**scumdog** · 1st August 2010, 08:27

Originally Posted by Delerium

Agreed, more range time requried, but I suspect its a case of time and $$$ that is stopping it, and there is a lot of misconceptions kicking around.

Damn right - there's so much training for everything cops do that each individual topic gets spread pretty thin when it comes to training.

**paturoa** · 1st August 2010, 09:27

But it keeps getting back to how would this reduce firearms related crime and I just can't see it.

This is the goal right?????

From an analogy perspective, I've not seen the statistics, but I'm sure dogs attacks have NOT decreased since chipping. Particulalry for un-registerred dogs owned by arseholes.

So no - don't do it.

**bogan** · 1st August 2010, 09:38

what they could do is make it madatory to have thermal optics, so when its pointed at a thermal mass around person size the gun wont fire

still a fucking stupid idea, but makes bout as much sense as registering them!

**ynot slow** · 1st August 2010, 09:57

Registering firearms or person,has been done here,and is only good for honest citizens.Only the crims can't pass the arms test due to brain function being close to apes.

My firearms test back in 1979 was pretty easy,but then the arms officer knew me and family,the test was 90%written and oral testing,i.e hazards etc,firezone etc,and your attitude towards weapons maybe 10%,well that was my take,then the weapon was registered,I had a single shot .22,bought a bolt action .22 shortly later,that was registered,all under my name.

Can remember when my brother(16 at time) wanted to borrow the .22 when he was on a mates farm,told him no,he was pissed,so got his firearms license(I wouldn't let him take rifle as he had no license,and his mates were idiots(well one was),and anything happened it was me in the shit).