Islamisation

[pete376403]

Firstly, there are plenty of passages like that in the Bible, and do you feel obliged to follow them?

Secondly, for someone quoting Islamic texts, why don't you know that Christians are not considered infidels?

I didn't, so i had a look, and you are correct (more or less)
"In the modern era, like "infidel", "Kafir" has also come to be regarded as offensive,[16] thus Muslim scholars discourage its use due to the Quran's command to use kind words.[17] It is even a punishable offense to use this term against a Jew or a Christian, under Islamic law.[16] Muslim extremists today however do tend to use the term indiscriminately in reference to all non-Muslims"

It is the extremists that seem to be the topic of this thread, so...

[Winston001]

IMHO if you do anything five times a day, have to do it, arrange your life around it or your life isn't full anymore.....

Ah but many Moslems don't do that at all. My doctor for one - he doesn't push people out for 5 daily prayers - in fact I doubt he bothers at all. There is a vast number of Moslems who are moderate, Westernised, and not particularly religious.

I suppose its natural we only notice the committed ones without realising Islam has existed for centuries without taking over the world. As posted above, the Moors had a good crack at Europe and despite that Spain is relentlessly catholic as is France.

Relax.

[SS90]

Oh Dear,

I feel there will be a backlash against my comments, but so be it.

I have lived in Central Europe going on 4 years now (on and off in the UK before that), and 29 years in NZ prior.

While I certainly do not agree with the Opening post entirely (I suggest you all down load Mein Kampf..... it's easily available, although I see a few have already made the comment that the opening quote was too much for you)

3 Years in Germany (literally the old "heartland" of Nazi Germany), Baveria, which, still, to this day holds a generations old combination of guilt (only because they lost), and dislike of "Auslanders" (outsiders).

I am not saying that ALL people in Germany have this attitude (big city's, the racist attitude is from immigrants), but old farming family's, the 1930's attitude, while subdued, is still there.

You will see no Mosque of Islam, no Temple of Juadaism, only thousands upon thousands of CATHOLIC churches, I would estimate, perhaps as many as one per 200 head of population.

You do (in larger towns, perhaps over 10,000 people) see a few "immigrants" (mainly Turkey), perhaps owning a Döner stand, but, in general, of no (obvious) religion, simply "assimilating" into Southern German life.

They pay taxes, they have friends both of German origin, as well as Turkish.

Despite the "Farmer" attitudes, they do their thing.

Austria, they are extremely unwelcome (immigration is hard for someone even of european descent), and the chances of seeing a Mosque, or any other place of worship other than Catholic are, in my opinion a million to one.

Now, on the other hand, the Netherlands.........

I travel to Antwerp a few times a year, and I can tell you I can see what this guy is talking about.

Antwerp (as any reasonable person knows) has a massive Jewish population, something you will not see in NZ.

Also, like the rest of the Netherlands, they have a (daily) increasing Islamic population, and, in driving through the city, when you get to the "old city", you see Jewish people "going about there business" (Hasidic Jew's by the way), as they have for centuries.

In the "new city" (that was rebuilt after the 2500 odd V1 and V2's the Jerries dumped on Antwerp in 1944 after they lost it to the Canadians), you see Muslim women, (admittedly with only head dress, not veils), with half a dozen kids (all of a similar age, so my guess is that they are the unwed women, taking care of children.

You NEVER see the Muslim people mixing with anyone in Antwerp, they won't give you directions, they won't even acknowledge you asked them a question. (it does not matter if you ask them in English, German, or French.....and if you live in the Belgium you speak Flemish (Dutch), German, French, AND English)

The Jewish people, in contrast, while they do hold a reputation for being "introverted", will actually talk to you.

The Netherlands is frequently in the news in Europe (almost weekly) for discovering "Yet another Muslim extremist terrorist training cell"

Here is a short over view..... I am sure if you google Islam Netherlands terrorists, you will come up with one of the latest stories.

http://www.utrechtlawreview.org/publ...04/article.pdf

It is all very well to sit back in safe old NZ and say "oh, you are a Nazi you big bad Netherlands monster", but I assure you, that if you where here, and read the papers, saw the news (In the Netherlands, you hear DAILY assaults on people (women too), by Muslim's, because, as has been said, someone was drinking Beer, in a Muslim neighborhood (usually a local), or, doing something that Mohammed does not approve of.

Am I racist? Certainly not.

If I had never lived here, I would have the same attitude as alot of people, but because I live here, and have seen for myself the difference between an "immigrant" (assimilation), and a "Settler" (A Muslim living in Europe, and acting like they are still in Durkerdurkerstan, and expect that anyone they see that is NOT a Muslim is to be punished)

[Reckless]

Ah but many Moslems don't do that at all. My doctor for one - he doesn't push people out for 5 daily prayers - in fact I doubt he bothers at all. There is a vast number of Moslems who are moderate, Westernised, and not particularly religious.

I suppose its natural we only notice the committed ones without realising Islam has existed for centuries without taking over the world. As posted above, the Moors had a good crack at Europe and despite that Spain is relentlessly catholic as is France.

Relax.

Agreed Winston! Islamic Religion is only an excuse for people with hidden agendas to kill people but it is the ones praying 5 times a day (or more) I'd pick that are planting the bombs.
I haven't been over there but from TV it does look like the country comes to a stop and they get out the mats a lot more than once a week?
Btw I haven't heard of an uprising by all the doctor type people against the extremists to stop the fanatics using their religion as an excuse to maim and kill. Although from what I read here the writings do make it easy for the extremists to operate?

Anyway I knew it would create interesting discussion I really don't have to strong a view on the subject other than the thoughts I have put forward.

Interesting to hear the comments from the people who have actually been to the country.

It was, after all an extreme view of the situation Vs the extremists LOL!!. Good stuff for a KB debate!

[SS90]

I didn't, so i had a look, and you are correct (more or less)
"In the modern era, like "infidel", "Kafir" has also come to be regarded as offensive,[16] thus Muslim scholars discourage its use due to the Quran's command to use kind words.[17] It is even a punishable offense to use this term against a Jew or a Christian, under Islamic law.[16] Muslim extremists today however do tend to use the term indiscriminately in reference to all non-Muslims"

It is the extremists that seem to be the topic of this thread, so...

I see your point, but, like in any religion the (deliberate) ambigiouty of the "books", each individual religion has provided it's "followers" (and each religion then claim that their book is "the word of (their) God, and "all other religions are wrong", also, then tell you that the "interpretation is up to the head of each church" (who, in turn gets their guidance from "God"), yet, one Islamic Follower say's "Oh, the Koran says " Use kind words"", and another says "Kill all infidels"

W T F?????????

Could it be said that the Koran (or Bible) is a deliberately ambigious document, meant to confuse the reader, thereby making the reader more susceptible to suggestions from the leaders of the Church?

How about this.

Can anyone tell me who this quote is from

But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

[SS90]

That's a great idea. Let's resurrect this topic after Austria and Poland have "fallen".

You know, on the news just now, due to pressure from the EU, Austria have been forced to ease up their harsh Visa restrictions on all nationals.

Trust me, it is a very difficult process in Austria.

But they also say that all immigrants under the scheme MUST speak a high level of German, and be subject to hard back ground checks and Police Inspections during the process.

They will then receive a (probationary) "ROT UND WEIß KART" (Red and white card), that (if their qualifications are accepted) will allow them to work (in certain industries).

the hardest country to get into in Europe has just been cracked!

Talk about timing!

[Winston001]

Can anyone tell me who this quote is from

But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

Reichmarshall Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials.

[marie_speeds]

My muslim next door neighbours have more bbqs and drinkies than anyone one else in the street. We occassionally join them and guess what...they talk the same shite that happens at any other "kiwi" bbq.... They're good neighbours, better in fact than that Aussie cow that lives on the other side of us

[SS90]

Reichmarshall Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials.

The scary thing is that it still holds true today.

Be it a Nazi doctrine, or a religious one.

You have a Dutch Politician preaching one racial doctrine, and a (some what larger group) a similar one.

The basic method remains the same as Göring's infamous statement.

"But after all, it is the leaders who determine policy, and it is a simple matter to drag the people along................"

The fact is it is the simple "tricks" that work, not the complicated ones.........

This is EXACTLY what the US government are doing, they have not changed the plan that Göring outlined in the slightest.

That is why it works.

[SS90]

My muslim next door neighbours have more bbqs and drinkies than anyone one else in the street. We occassionally join them and guess what...they talk the same shite that happens at any other "kiwi" bbq.... They're good neighbours, better in fact than that Aussie cow that lives on the other side of us

Then, quite frankly, their definitian of "Muslim" does not marry with the Koran.

I think Mohammed will have no virgins waiting for them in the afterlife.

I am sure they are great people, but, like I say, I question of you can really consider them as "Muslim"

[marie_speeds]

Then, quite frankly, their definitian of "Muslim" does not marry with the Koran.

I think Mohammed will have no virgins waiting for them in the afterlife.

I am sure they are great people, but, like I say, I question of you can really consider them as "Muslim"

Oh they certainly are.They are just very liberal. Which many are. Same story again the world over in any situation a few spoil it for the majority, and people learn to mistrust based on the actions of the few.

[Banditbandit]

Well ... Hitcher suggested it .. so here it is ...

We've done all of this stuff before. It's about time we had some new stuff to winge about. Like Islamisation...

What's the problem ? Islam is the word of Allah and who are you to disagree with God ? Lucifer ? Look what happened to that mad bastard ..

[Banditbandit]

Sorry people .. too early in the morning and missed reckles's thread (must drink more coffee before engaging keyboard !)

[Swoop]

... combination of guilt (only because they lost)

Germany didn't lose... they came second.
The french, on the other hand, lost.



Speaking of the froggies. They have had to enact several laws to keep their population from being outnumbered by muslim migrants, or at least delay that time.

[SS90]

Germany didn't lose... they came second.
The french, on the other hand, lost.



Speaking of the froggies. They have had to enact several laws to keep their population from being outnumbered by muslim migrants, or at least delay that time.

The funny thing is, the French are more nationalistic than any European country I can think of!

Check out the English translation of their national anthem..........

Let's go children of the fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us tyranny's
Bloody flag is raised! (repeat)
In the countryside, do you hear
The roaring of these fierce soldiers?
They come right to our arms
To slit the throats of our sons, our friends!

Refrain

Grab your weapons, citizens!
Form your batallions!
Let us march! Let us march!
May impure blood
Water our fields!

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This horde of slaves, traitors, plotting kings,
What do they want?
For whom these vile shackles,
These long-prepared irons? (repeat)
Frenchmen, for us, oh! what an insult!
What emotions that must excite!
It is us that they dare to consider
Returning to ancient slavery!

What! These foreign troops
Would make laws in our home!
What! These mercenary phalanxes
Would bring down our proud warriors! (repeat)
Good Lord! By chained hands
Our brows would bend beneath the yoke!
Vile despots would become
The masters of our fate!

Tremble, tyrants! and you, traitors,
The disgrace of all groups,
Tremble! Your parricidal plans
Will finally pay the price! (repeat)
Everyone is a soldier to fight you,
If they fall, our young heros,
France will make more,
Ready to battle you!

Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors,
Bear or hold back your blows!
Spare these sad victims,
Regretfully arming against us. (repeat)
But not these bloodthirsty despots,
But not these accomplices of Bouillé,
All of these animals who, without pity,
Tear their mother's breast to pieces!

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Sacred love of France,
Lead, support our avenging arms!
Liberty, beloved Liberty,
Fight with your defenders! (repeat)
Under our flags, let victory
Hasten to your manly tones!
May your dying enemies
See your triumph and our glory!

Refrain

We will enter the pit
When our elders are no longer there;
There, we will find their dust
And the traces of their virtues. (repeat)
Much less eager to outlive them
Than to share their casket,
We will have the sublime pride
Of avenging them or following them!