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    All religion is about power. By promising a better afterlife (because religions certainly dont deliver a better "now" life) believers are suckered into the concept that theirs is the "one true god" and all others are wrong. The power part is "in order to get to this better afterlife you have do do what your chosen belief system says". The pope, brian tamaki, mahommed, etc - all pedaling the same bullshit in different packages, and they're able to sell it because human egos can't abide the thought of there being nothing at the end of life.
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    Despite all the Wikipedia research the facts are clear in the third millennium.

    Again, despite the failings of Christianity in this century I don't think any Catholic, Protestant, Anglican, Methodist, Lutherin or Seventh Day Adventist has been doing the crazy shit the Muslims have been up to.

    "Oh, look out, it's a Boeing 767 that's been hijacked by a gang of Baptists and it's headed for the Beehive".

    I'll say it again, I'm an atheist. This isn't about race, it's about a medieval religion and it's many, many failings.
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    Why is that we have this need to (well some do) have something to believe in, this faith in some being that may of may not exsist, pay homage to a statue.....Does all mankind have this empty place inside them that only a "god" can fill?

    As to Islam...I think it is something we do need to be very much aware of and some of them are damn scarey, just like some Christians are damn scarey, underneath it all, we are human and it is human nature to survive, to conquer, to rule.

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    I am an infidel and so is the rest of my family, I'm happy to live in peace with people of any faith so long as they are happy to reciprocate but I have a real problem with the fact that the Koran expressly encourages/endorses our killing by the members of that faith.

    Nor do I wish to live (or die) under Sharia law from what I learn its ways, I certainly would not choose to live in Iran or Saudi Arabia.

    Don't get me wrong, I fully accept that 99.99% of all Muslims will not take those words to heart or would wish any harm upon me an my family and that, I'm sure, includes the vast majority of Pakistanis and Afghanis but mob mentality is a fickle and dangerous thing, just ask the Germans.

    I'm certain the Taliban do not even constitute a majority among the people of Afghanistan, however that certainly didn't stop them brutally and forcibly imposing there world view upon the rest of the local population.

    So long as greater Islam is unable or unwilling to put an end to the extremists in their midst I will continue to view its growth and migration with suspicion and concern. Should there be other creeds with similar teaching and the means and intent to inflict them upon me and mine I will treat them the same way regardless of their ethnic origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    All religion is about power. By promising a better afterlife (because religions certainly dont deliver a better "now" life) believers are suckered into the concept that theirs is the "one true god" and all others are wrong. The power part is "in order to get to this better afterlife you have do do what your chosen belief system says". The pope, brian tamaki, mahommed, etc - all pedaling the same bullshit in different packages, and they're able to sell it because human egos can't abide the thought of there being nothing at the end of life.
    True. The Bible and the Koran have been interpreted/misinterpreted for centuries. It's the priests and imams who cause all the trouble. They just can't worship in their own way in peace and leave everyone else alone. There's always got to be the eternal pit of hellfire to keep everyone in line. The hating and the killing. The only winners are the cult leaders. The rest, sheep.
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    And this type of crap does not help the situation either...

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/7...koran-burning/

    What a lot of people don't realise is both the Bible and Qur'an including many ministers and teachers of both regilons, the Bible and Qur'an have the same message, both believe in Jesus and they both could have easily had the same books and wording. Many of the books that didn't make it into the cannon version of the Bible made it into the Qur'an and other versions of the Bible. (yes there are other versions of the Bible and I am not just talking about translations and new versions in translations)
    Though it was more than the one meeting of the so called council it took over 150 years before we came to the Bible we have today.

    Both the Bible and Qur'an are that similar its not funny anyway... both are a form of control, because the fear it creates if your are wrong and are going to a lake of fire in the after life...

    The council of Nicea 325CE did not create the doctrine of the deity of Christ as is sometimes claimed but it did settle to some degree the debate within the early Christian communities regarding the divinity of Christ. This idea of the divinity of Christ along with the idea of Christ as a messenger from the one God ("The Father") had long existed in various parts of the Roman empire. The divinity of Christ had also been widely endorsed by the Christian community in the otherwise pagan city of Rome. The council affirmed and defined what it believed to be the teachings of the Apostles regarding who Christ is: that Christ is the one true God in deity with the Father. Contrary to the view popularised by Dan Brown's novel The Da Vinci Code, there is no evidence to suggest that the Biblical canon, the list of books decided to be authorative as scripture, was even discussed at the Council of Nicaea, let alone established or edited.

    There are a variety of books that didn't make it to the canon version, Book of Enoch, Book ok of Jubilees, Book of Adam & Eves life, LamechScroll... Another on that I forget its name that says Adam Eve was Adam's 2nd wife... the book of Mary, but there are many many others... there are rumours there is a book of Jesus but there is no evidence of this that has been found if it has then it is deep with the Vatican. The Bible took centries to get to the version we in the west know today.

    "Ethiopia" for example their Holy Bible has a veriety of books in it that is in the Koran and some that are not in either the Koran or Bible... as well as most that we know and have...

    The bit that really gets me, on both sides of the fence Christian and Islam, is that there are millions of people that are starving and struggling just to live and and survie... and then we have the priests, pope vatican that have millions in revenue, but do nothing... and that is both sides...

    Thou Shalt not Kill... pretty simple really yet look at all the wars and suffering regilon itself has had in the name of god through out history...

    "If anyone slew an innocent person it would be as if he slew the whole mankind and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind"
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    Quote Originally Posted by toycollector10 View Post
    Despite all the Wikipedia research the facts are clear in the third millennium.

    Again, despite the failings of Christianity in this century I don't think any Catholic, Protestant, Anglican, Methodist, Lutherin or Seventh Day Adventist has been doing the crazy shit the Muslims have been up to.

    "Oh, look out, it's a Boeing 767 that's been hijacked by a gang of Baptists and it's headed for the Beehive".

    I'll say it again, I'm an atheist. This isn't about race, it's about a medieval religion and it's many, many failings.
    Let me see ...

    Christians invaded Iraq and Afghanistan ... which Muslims invaded what Christian countries ?

    Christian Fundamentalists have murdered pro-abortion doctors and doctors performing abortions ... such as Jim D. Adkisson - an American Christain terrorist who shot up a church ... and The Army of God

    Christians have carried out the death penalty on many people ...

    Christians tortured Muslims in Abu Graib and Guantanemo ...

    The Catholic/Protestant terrorist groups of Northern Ireland ... both IRA and the Orange Volunteers et al ..

    The Ku Klux Klan ...

    Concerned Citizens who planned to attack holy site in Jerusalem and were tossed out by the Israelis ...

    The Hutaree Group ...

    David Koresh and the Branch Davidian Sect - Waco Texas ... Ruby Ridge ...

    Uganda's Lord's Resistance Army ...

    New Zealand's very own Full Gospel Mission - The God Squad - busted in the late 1970s or early 1980s with arms and explosives ...

    And on and on ...

    Probably just as many examples as there are Muslim extreme terrorist groups ... Christianity is a medieval religion that looks much like Islam ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Let me see ...

    Christians invaded Iraq and Afghanistan ... which Muslims invaded what Christian countries ?
    The Moors invaded Spain and sat there for around 400 years? IRC

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete 37...
    and they're able to sell it because human egos can't abide the thought of there being nothing at the end of life.
    Ah, is that my problem...I know there's nothing afterwards.........

    Evil people will do evil
    Good people will do good
    But only religion induces good people to do evil........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Let me see ...

    Christians invaded Iraq and Afghanistan ... which Muslims invaded what Christian countries ?

    Christian Fundamentalists have murdered pro-abortion doctors and doctors performing abortions ... such as Jim D. Adkisson - an American Christain terrorist who shot up a church ... and The Army of God

    Christians have carried out the death penalty on many people ...

    Christians tortured Muslims in Abu Graib and Guantanemo ...

    The Catholic/Protestant terrorist groups of Northern Ireland ... both IRA and the Orange Volunteers et al ..

    The Ku Klux Klan ...

    Concerned Citizens who planned to attack holy site in Jerusalem and were tossed out by the Israelis ...

    The Hutaree Group ...

    David Koresh and the Branch Davidian Sect - Waco Texas ... Ruby Ridge ...

    Uganda's Lord's Resistance Army ...

    New Zealand's very own Full Gospel Mission - The God Squad - busted in the late 1970s or early 1980s with arms and explosives ...

    And on and on ...

    Probably just as many examples as there are Muslim extreme terrorist groups ... Christianity is a medieval religion that looks much like Islam ...
    I told you, I'm an Atheist. The topic is Islamisation. The Christians aren't free of crimes, as you say. Proderstaants V's Caathorlcks etc etc.

    I'm adding to this topic in the hope that anyone who is unsure of what is going on in Europe might start doing their own research and make their own minds up. A YouTube search of "Islam and Europe" or "Muslim Demographics" will get anyone started then they can just surf around as they please. "Pat Condell" on YouTube is as good a place an any to start.

    No one on an internet forum discussing religion is ever going to change any other posters mind. I'm just here to hopefully prod the fence sitters or curious citizen into taking things a step further, that is, to do some research. I don't care about which side of the debate they emerge.

    The big problem is in Europe. How can I personally influence the tide of 30,000,000 Muslims of Europe and Sharia law? Answer, I can't.

    Here's another starting point: http://www.jihadwatch.org/

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    The problem we have in the world is quite simple.
    There are not enough bikes to go round.
    If every one got a bike when they hit about ten years old, give or take, then that’s all they would give a crap about till they discovered girls/boys.
    And once they got sick of them they would turn to bikes again.

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    “The people over there do not believe what we believe, let’s go kill them!”
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    “But we must kill them!”
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    And well this weekend I’m off to the back road into Waitomo and its gunna be a nice weekend. So, no.”
    “But, but we must…”
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    And then this kind of shit... sometimes I am ashamed to say I am human when you see or hear about this...

    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/09/09

    US Soldiers 'Killed Afghan Civilians for Sport and Collected Fingers as Trophies'

    Soldiers face charges over secret 'kill team' which allegedly murdered at random and collected fingers as trophies of war

    by Chris McGreal
    Twelve American soldiers face charges over a secret "kill team" that allegedly blew up and shot Afghan civilians at random and collected their fingers as trophies.
    Andrew Holmes, Michael Wagnon, Jeremy Morlock and Adam Winfield are four of the five Stryker soldiers who face murder charges. (Photograph: Public Domain)
    Five of the soldiers are charged with murdering three Afghan men who were allegedly killed for sport in separate attacks this year. Seven others are accused of covering up the killings and assaulting a recruit who exposed the murders when he reported other abuses, including members of the unit smoking hashish stolen from civilians.In one of the most serious accusations of war crimes to emerge from the Afghan conflict, the killings are alleged to have been carried out by members of a Stryker infantry brigade based in Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan.
    According to investigators and legal documents, discussion of killing Afghan civilians began after the arrival of Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs at forward operating base Ramrod last November. Other soldiers told the army's criminal investigation command that Gibbs boasted of the things he got away with while serving in Iraq and said how easy it would be to "toss a grenade at someone and kill them".
    One soldier said he believed Gibbs was "feeling out the platoon".
    Investigators said Gibbs, 25, hatched a plan with another soldier, Jeremy Morlock, 22, and other members of the unit to form a "kill team". While on patrol over the following months they allegedly killed at least three Afghan civilians. According to the charge sheet, the first target was Gul Mudin, who was killed "by means of throwing a fragmentary grenade at him and shooting him with a rifle", when the patrol entered the village of La Mohammed Kalay in January.
    Morlock and another soldier, Andrew Holmes, were on guard at the edge of a poppy field when Mudin emerged and stopped on the other side of a wall from the soldiers. Gibbs allegedly handed Morlock a grenade who armed it and dropped it over the wall next to the Afghan and dived for cover. Holmes, 19, then allegedly fired over the wall.
    Later in the day, Morlock is alleged to have told Holmes that the killing was for fun and threatened him if he told anyone.
    The second victim, Marach Agha, was shot and killed the following month. Gibbs is alleged to have shot him and placed a Kalashnikov next to the body to justify the killing. In May Mullah Adadhdad was killed after being shot and attacked with a grenade.
    The Army Times reported that a least one of the soldiers collected the fingers of the victims as souvenirs and that some of them posed for photographs with the bodies.
    Five soldiers – Gibbs, Morlock, Holmes, Michael Wagnon and Adam Winfield – are accused of murder and aggravated assault among other charges. All of the soldiers have denied the charges. They face the death penalty or life in prison if convicted.
    The killings came to light in May after the army began investigating a brutal assault on a soldier who told superiors that members of his unit were smoking hashish. The Army Times reported that members of the unit regularly smoked the drug on duty and sometimes stole it from civilians.
    The soldier, who was straight out of basic training and has not been named, said he witnessed the smoking of hashish and drinking of smuggled alcohol but initially did not report it out of loyalty to his comrades. But when he returned from an assignment at an army headquarters and discovered soldiers using the shipping container in which he was billeted to smoke hashish he reported it.
    Two days later members of his platoon, including Gibbs and Morlock, accused him of "snitching", gave him a beating and told him to keep his mouth shut. The soldier reported the beating and threats to his officers and then told investigators what he knew of the "kill team".
    Following the arrest of the original five accused in June, seven other soldiers were charged last month with attempting to cover up the killings and violent assault on the soldier who reported the smoking of hashish. The charges will be considered by a military grand jury later this month which will decide if there is enough evidence for a court martial. Army investigators say Morlock has admitted his involvement in the killings and given details about the role of others including Gibbs. But his lawyer, Michael Waddington, is seeking to have that confession suppressed because he says his client was interviewed while under the influence of prescription drugs taken for battlefield injuries and that he was also suffering from traumatic brain injury.
    "Our position is that his statements were incoherent, and taken while he was under a cocktail of drugs that shouldn't have been mixed," Waddington told the Seattle Times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ View Post
    And then this kind of shit... sometimes I am ashamed to say I am human when you see or hear about this...

    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/09/09
    i just don't get it at all... why the fuck would you do that to someone
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    Quote Originally Posted by myvice View Post
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    Really?

    What else would you from someone who is trained to be the most aggressive killer they can, carries a rifle every day, gets shot at a lot, is contiunally told that he's a bringer of death, a perfectly crafted killing machine etc etc by hard arse mofos that they look up to?

    You can't create an army of hardcore killers, and then not expect them to want to kill.

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