Just in case you didn't think you were a second class citizen...

[riffer]

This guy gets it

It's not about the police's legal right to do this - they get the powers that we give them and accept

It's not about the size of the intrusion - its the fact of it.

At what point do you clowns who think this is nothing to worry about, draw the line?

When are YOUR personal freedoms obstructed by the state? Do you even think about it? Do you even realise that everything (absolutely everything) that you might fondly think of as an inalienable right was hard fought for and was not bestowed upon you by the miracle of your birth

How the fuck do you think your rights are defined?

Cos I can tell you how they are taken away

piece

by piece.

What "rights" do you believe are being infringed? Police have had the power to stop ANY vehicle on ANY road for ANY reason for years. Please explain the change to this law and how it affects YOUR RIGHTS.

As for the photography, PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE.

I can't be any clearer than this.

[bogan]

What "rights" do you believe are being infringed? Police have had the power to stop ANY vehicle on ANY road for ANY reason for years. Please explain the change to this law and how it affects YOUR RIGHTS.

As for the photography, PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE.

I can't be any clearer than this.

Being singled out because of your vehicle type, rather than your actions doesn't sit right with me, and many others, theres even a word for it, discrimination. Haven't we taken enough of that with the ACC bs?

[riffer]

Being singled out because of your vehicle type, rather than your actions doesn't sit right with me, and many others, theres even a word for it, discrimination. Haven't we taken enough of that with the ACC bs?

Yes but where's the evidence? Come on bogan, the original poster alluded to this being a Police initiative. So far it's all piss and wind...

[bogan]

Yes but where's the evidence? Come on bogan, the original poster alluded to this being a Police initiative. So far it's all piss and wind...

as I said in post #10, if confirmed something should be done. Obviously if its not happening nothing needs to be done, and theres nothing wrong with a bit of piss and wind, gets the thinkerer going

[AD345]

What "rights" do you believe are being infringed? Police have had the power to stop ANY vehicle on ANY road for ANY reason for years. Please explain the change to this law and how it affects YOUR RIGHTS.

As for the photography, PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE.

I can't be any clearer than this.

As far as I know the photography, if real, was mentioned as happening in Nelson. I have made no reference to this.

If the asserted stoppages do indeed turn out to be true then the right which I would feel is being eroded is the right to move freely about my country without fear of detention. Explicitly I object to being denied freedom of movement without even so much as suspicion of commiting a crime.

The police may well have the power to do this - but they should not. If they have no reason to even suspect me of commiting a crime then they should have no authority to prevent or detain me from going about my lawful business.

Pretty basic stuf I would have thought

[onearmedbandit]

If one was to enter a government (for example) building that had it stated that you will be subject to random searches would you not enter said building, or would you enter and be happy to oblige, or would you enter and complain every time you got stopped?

Because I don't think we own the roads do we? If so, I'm making a whole new set of rules that suit me.

[puddytat]

This guy gets it

It's not about the police's legal right to do this - they get the powers that we give them and accept

It's not about the size of the intrusion - its the fact of it.

At what point do you clowns who think this is nothing to worry about, draw the line?

When are YOUR personal freedoms obstructed by the state? Do you even think about it? Do you even realise that everything (absolutely everything) that you might fondly think of as an inalienable right was hard fought for and was not bestowed upon you by the miracle of your birth

How the fuck do you think your rights are defined?

Cos I can tell you how they are taken away

piece

by piece.

You got to spread it around blablahblah......

We tend to forget that we only got the right to vote a bit over a 100 years ago.....and the instigation of martial law for example, removes that right when ever a Govt. chooses....

[riffer]

The police may well have the power to do this - but they should not. If they have no reason to even suspect me of commiting a crime then they should have no authority to prevent or detain me from going about my lawful business.

And here's the rub. What the are doing is perfectly legal, and perfectly acceptable. You just don't like it.

Simple dislike of another parties lawful activity does not a rights infringement make. Your rights are not infringed. Your argument is therefore invalid.

Thanks for the discussion. It's been interesting but I think it's done its course now. Over and out.

[Mom]

I think that this discussion has only just begun to be fair. But each to their own, we are all entitled to our own opinions

[Scuba_Steve]

And here's the rub. What the are doing is perfectly legal, and perfectly acceptable. You just don't like it.

Simple dislike of another parties lawful activity does not a rights infringement make. Your rights are not infringed. Your argument is therefore invalid.

Thanks for the discussion. It's been interesting but I think it's done its course now. Over and out.

I wound't say "perfectly legal" there is the law they love to ignore which states
Unreasonable search and seizure
Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure, whether of the person, property, or correspondence or otherwise.

I would say a search of WOF/License's with no other reason than "you ride a bike" to be unreasonable, wouldn't you???

[riffer]

I wound't say "perfectly legal" there is the law they love to ignore which states
Unreasonable search and seizure
Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure, whether of the person, property, or correspondence or otherwise.

I would say a search of WOF/License's with no other reason than "you ride a bike" to be unreasonable, wouldn't you???

NO I think you will find that have that one covered by another law which allows them to do that.

[AD345]

And here's the rub. What the are doing is perfectly legal, and perfectly acceptable. You just don't like it.

Simple dislike of another parties lawful activity does not a rights infringement make. Your rights are not infringed. Your argument is therefore invalid.

Thanks for the discussion. It's been interesting but I think it's done its course now. Over and out.

You know - I learn something every day

Apparently moron's can spell

Who knew?

[Scuba_Steve]

NO I think you will find that have that one covered by another law which allows them to do that.

which 1? I know they have the right to pull you up and determine your identity & weather you own the vehicle but I cant remember seeing where they could "search" your vehicle without good reason (like weapons, drugs).

[civil]

Police have had the power to stop ANY vehicle on ANY road for ANY reason for years.

So what section of what Act allows this to occur?

The State can only do as statute permits, as opposed to myself that can do as I like unless a statue restricts me.

So show me the evidence that I can be restricted from coming and going along a public byway without cause?

[scumdog]

So what section of what Act allows this to occur?

The State can only do as statute permits,

You can be stopped anywhere anytime you are driving/riding a vehicle on a road

I think that is clear enough.

If I'm wrong?
Show me where?

Then I'll stop doing it.