Just in case you didn't think you were a second class citizen...

[civil]

Find it yourself, It's there. The result of a wee tweak to the law about two years ago IIRC.

The constabulary no longer require reasonable suspicion of anything in order to detain or question you.

You didn't notice?

I'm not the one making the claim.

Sort of like 'you have weapons of mass destruction. Now prove you don't before I came over and kick the shit out of you!!!' But then that one has already been used if I recall.

If this super power to stop and detain me without nature and cause exists in NZ staute then where is it? We can then compare it to the one in Fiji, Cuba, Venezuela and the liike.

[civil]

yea check this

Section 2(1) Land Transport Act 1998
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p...ct_noresel&p=1

But I still haven't seen the law that allows the police unreasonable search authority

'Transport Act 1962, s2 Interpretation' This is the section that has the meanings of the words defined for use in the Act. While it is a clue, it is not the section that gives authority. This section is typlically used to re-define words from their normal comon meanings.

[R6_kid:Me]

So improve the motorcycle test. Subsidise training days. Send driving offenders off to training courses. Put some riding advice in motorcycle magazines and websites (hey...Kiwibiker). Perhaps a pamphlet with riding advice in the same envelope as our rego renewal letter. We're not all born again Sunday warriors and I don't particularly want nor need some ACC sponsored copper to pull me over every week because I've had the audacity to visit a mate in the Coro on a motorcycle.

Maybe the following week they could stop all the "boaties" going up the Coro and tell them they really should learn to drive around tight blind corners on their own side of the road. Can't see it happening though. Imagine the outcry in the AA magazine.

All good ideas - your first four are all being done, except of course for improving the test, the whole scheme should be improved in that case, for all road users. You're right, we're not all born again Sunday warriors but then again we're not all saints with our heads screwed on either and maybe that little inconvenience of being stopped and warned about the hazards will allow some of those people to pull their heads in and not end up requiring to be scraped off the road later in the day.

As for your idea for the boaties on the Coro - brilliant. Why not be proactive and make a submission to the local constabulary?

[R6_kid:Me]

I'm not the one making the claim.

Sort of like 'you have weapons of mass destruction. Now prove you don't before I came over and kick the shit out of you!!!' But then that one has already been used if I recall.

If this super power to stop and detain me without nature and cause exists in NZ staute then where is it? We can then compare it to the one in Fiji, Cuba, Venezuela and the liike.

Paranoid much? Up to the point where they record your details and take your photo do you really have anything to worry about? Unless those things actually happen then is there really a problem or are you just bitching because your believe your time is far to valuable. If you really have an exception to it then when you stop just tell them thanks but no thanks and go from there.

Storm in a teacup if you ask me.

[scracha]

Perhaps you should look at the people you know then.

I get thanked for about 90% of the contacts I have and that wasn't counting the pedestrians who walked past me today at the spot I was in and gave me the big thumbs up.

Even got a wave from a few bike riders.

You're clearly delusional. Thumbs up means "please don't ping me you fascist pig". "yes, thank you for stopping me, I have listened to everything you have said and I am clearly in the wrong". As for job satisfaction from busybodies giving you the thumbs up, gimmie a break. I suspect the SS got the thumbs up for putting Jews in the ghettos too.

At least Scummy has the brains to know he is merely a tool of whatever lobbying group or department the government has an ear towards. At least Scummy has the decency to admit that it is merely a job and he loves it.

[Bodir]

I don't mind getting stopped IF ALL road users get stopped. If its only bikes, the yes I feel discriminated. Same goes if I would sit in a car and all bikes and trucks etc don't get stopped. It is the we stop only this vehicle that gets me

[Tone165]

Just for interest, the photographing of "innocent" motorcyclists has been going on for some time here in Qld (Aussie).

Short of claiming conspiracy...there seems to be a growing belief that we are coming in for more attention than we are due for.

As for the legality...well they are the Police aren't they....so it must be legal right?

This may be a side effect of the anti association laws they are trying to sell as "Anti Bikie" laws.

[swbarnett]

Because I don't think we own the roads do we?

Collectively, yes, we do own the roads. They are, afterall, a public assett and you and I are members of the "public" last time I checked.

[onearmedbandit]

Collectively, yes, we do own the roads. They are, afterall, a public assett and you and I are members of the "public" last time I checked.

A friend and I were discussing this tonight, and he suggested that the crown own them. Regardless, our right to use them is governed by those who manage the roads, in this case the government. They set the rules, if we want to play, we have to put up with their rules, which include the ability for the police to pull you over at anytime for any reason.

Not saying I agree with it. But it is the way it is.

If the police want to target buses/cars with caravans/boy racers/cyclists/trucks I bet most people in here wouldn't have an issue with it. Oh wait, it already happens. I can remember blitz's on taxi drivers, school bus drivers, trucks, and not many complained about that. I don't agree with the police stopping someone just to remind them to go easy, but it's in their powers. However if they are doing a wof/rego/license sting I see no problem with that.

[Pixie]

Below is a quote from post by Roadsafe Nelson in a similar thread on the same initative that was conducted in Nelson back in June.

"Whilst out riding with friends a couple of months ago, we were pulled over at one such checkpoint in the Whangamoas (heading towards Blenheim). Motorcyclists were taken to the side, our rego/wof/riding gear & licences were checked. Bottled water & refreshments were offered.

In attendance at the checkpoint were a variety of people. The Police, The Tasman District Council & the local Nelson Injury Prevention Office for ACC. They were interested in collecting information from the motorcyclists stopped, on what our concerns were when riding on the road.. eg: gravel/road works & lack of signage, other road users, road conditions etc. Feedback from this collected information is to be handed onto the relevant organisations concerned.. eg: roading companies

As a result of the information collected a flier has just been released locally with relevant contact details available for motorcyclists to contact & raise their concerns to.

To note.. ALL traffic was stopped at this checkpoint & ALL licence's/rego & wofs were checked, not just motorcyclists.

Feedback I heard from the TDC was that a very high proportion of the bikers stopped were correctly licenced & had current rego/wofs.. & were wearing appropriate gear.

Personally I felt heard & respected by the people conducting the checkpoint."

This seems to be a reasonable way to handle a rather senstive problem.

What problem?
Motorcyclists using the public carriageway?

If someone stops me and offers me some bottled water,I will advise them on how to give themselves an enema with it.

[morsedog]

What problem?
Motorcyclists using the public carriageway?

If someone stops me and offers me some bottled water,I will advise them on how to give themselves an enema with it.

It is this kind of attitude that will only perpetuate the problem. I know that we bikers are being wronged. We should not be targeted by constables and they have no right to stop us for no reason (or at least they shouldn't). But regardless, if a constable stops you instead of being unpleasant try being nice for a change. I do this and I rarely get a ticket, and if enough bikers did this the constables wouldn't stop us anymore. After all riding bikes is only recreation, its not illegal. I am all for the right to ride on the road undisturbed, but hate will only breed more hate and you must be the one to stop the cycle.

[PrincessBandit]

I don't mind getting stopped IF ALL road users get stopped. If its only bikes, the yes I feel discriminated. Same goes if I would sit in a car and all bikes and trucks etc don't get stopped. It is the we stop only this vehicle that gets me

Glass half full or half empty??

I don't mind getting stopped. I like feeling special

[Fatt Max]

I suppose its the old 'depends on who is doing the stopping' question. For me personally, a whipper snapper cop in a nice warm squad car who has just read a copy of 'Motorcycles For Dummies' would not hold a lot of credence for me, same as an accountant trying to tell me how to hook up a 3 phase welding machine.

If its a bike cop who knows his stuff for example, then fine....

If its a big fat chick in stockings and suspenders holding a pie between her knockers then I really couldnt give a fuck, she could tell me anything.....I would listen..

I get stopped all the time especially by those bastards selling cheap Jenny Craig memberships

[Scuba_Steve]

A friend and I were discussing this tonight, and he suggested that the crown own them. Regardless, our right to use them is governed by those who manage the roads, in this case the government. They set the rules, if we want to play, we have to put up with their rules, which include the ability for the police to pull you over at anytime for any reason.

Not saying I agree with it. But it is the way it is.

If the police want to target buses/cars with caravans/boy racers/cyclists/trucks I bet most people in here wouldn't have an issue with it. Oh wait, it already happens. I can remember blitz's on taxi drivers, school bus drivers, trucks, and not many complained about that. I don't agree with the police stopping someone just to remind them to go easy, but it's in their powers. However if they are doing a wof/rego/license sting I see no problem with that.

But in a Democracy (which we like to think we're in) the people own the government bringing the road ownership back to us [the people] after all we're paying a fuck load for it.

& why do you not mind the WOF & Licence's check? Like I've mentioned this is pushing the right to be free from unreasonable search, as they are pulling you over to Search for a reason to charge you... Would you be so happy if they just came into your home to [again] Search for a reason to charge you whenever they felt like it???

[Grubber]

A friend and I were discussing this tonight, and he suggested that the crown own them. Regardless, our right to use them is governed by those who manage the roads, in this case the government. They set the rules, if we want to play, we have to put up with their rules, which include the ability for the police to pull you over at anytime for any reason.

Not saying I agree with it. But it is the way it is.

If the police want to target buses/cars with caravans/boy racers/cyclists/trucks I bet most people in here wouldn't have an issue with it. Oh wait, it already happens. I can remember blitz's on taxi drivers, school bus drivers, trucks, and not many complained about that. I don't agree with the police stopping someone just to remind them to go easy, but it's in their powers. However if they are doing a wof/rego/license sting I see no problem with that.

Awesome!!!! Well done. Finally someone gets it.
I'm in the heavy transport industry and have been for some 30 years. If you want to see targeted vehicles then i suggest you come and work in my industry. There is these things called Weigh Stations all along the State Highways that frequently haul us in repetitively for no other reason than to check you are obeying rules. It happens in the middle of nowhere too. You can get pulled over by a patrol car, just so he can check your logbook, manifest and any other paperwork you may have to carry with you.
We don't see this as an imposition as such but more as just part of the job.
If you have any idea about trucks you will know they are not that quick at getting back up to speed, unlike a motorbike.
I could go on and on about this but find it would fall on deaf ears in most cases,as there are some riders that feel they are above and beyond all other road users and therefore should not be stopped at any time.
It would appear at times that they feel they are the only ones that deserve to be on the road at any time and that no one else has any targeting issues.

Phew! That will do for now i think...