Just in case you didn't think you were a second class citizen...

[bogan]

You don't think that maybe the fact that only 0.7% of accidents were caused by vehicle issues might have something to do with the fact that the WOF process was in place?

There's a damn good chance that without any inspection process at all the percentage of accidents caused by vehicle issues would increase tenfold.

so I found the doc here
turns out it only applies to bikes (less km's and generally better service history reduces the risk), and the 0.7% does not state whether that was from the countries that do or do not have road worthiness testing, approximately 1/3 of the EU countries do not currently have road worthiness testing.

[avgas]

And you TWICE presented your motorcycle for a WOF either knowing that you had a bike that was not fit to be on the road, or you had no idea of what constituted a safe vehicle.

Yes but a WOF is a test of 'unbiased' vehicle safety.
If you want a test of conscience you will not find this in the local Indian at VTNZ

[onearmedbandit]

You don't think that maybe the fact that only 0.7% of accidents were caused by vehicle issues might have something to do with the fact that the WOF process was in place?

There's a damn good chance that without any inspection process at all the percentage of accidents caused by vehicle issues would increase tenfold.

Good god, that's twice in this thread I've been thinking along the same lines as you. Get out of my HEAD!!!

Also, just another thing to think about. Rust in a seatbelt anchor won't cause an accident. Rust in a firewall won't cause in accident. But they will increase your chance of dying in an accident.

[Max Preload]

There's a damn good chance that without any inspection process at all the percentage of accidents caused by vehicle issues would increase tenfold.

I've looked into this claim in the past and found that in the states of Australia where they have no mandatory vehicle inspection periods, their vehicle defects contributing to crashes are not appreciably higher than those that have compulsory inspections.

I'll try and find those statistics again, if you're interested.

However, whether I'd actually trust tight-fisted NZers to maintain their vehicles to any standard in the absence of a prescribed periodic inspections is an entirely different argument...

[Pixie]

I've looked into this claim in the past and found that in the states of Australia where they have no mandatory vehicle inspection periods, their vehicle defects contributing to crashes are not appreciably higher than those that have compulsory inspections.

I'll try and find those statistics again, if you're interested.

However, whether I'd actually trust tight-fisted NZers to maintain their vehicles to any standard in the absence of a prescribed periodic inspections is an entirely different argument...

There are several countries that don't require inspections - proof that it is all bullshit

I've felt this way ever since a tosser in a VTNZ told me I only had to replace 1 tyre to pass a retest the other three were still legal (barely)

[Genie]

There are several countries that don't require inspections - proof that it is all bullshit

I've felt this way ever since a tosser in a VTNZ told me I only had to replace 1 tyre to pass a retest the other three were still legal (barely)

ha...I failed last time...one tyre had a screw in it...went to tyre man, pliers came out, so did the screw, back to VTNZ and waste another 20 minutes for the recheck! Go figure...no screws allowed!

[Pixie]

Troll. Much.

No, I did not know the fork seals were blown the first time, I had bought the bike off trade me as is, it had no WOF, I rode it directly to a WOF issuer (dont have a trailer/ute) and obtained a brand new sparkling WOF. Was not until I had the bike at home and was cleaning it that I saw the fork issue. I immediately fixed the seals and fork legs that had caused the seals to blow.

The second time is much the same as the first, except this time Maha took the bike for the WOF, it had been rego on hold and not ridden for several months as I had an injury that prevented me from riding. It came back with a lovely new WOF and the tell tale signs that the fork seals were again leaking.

Blown fork seals are a cosmetic issue (the oil messes the bike up)
Many bikes have standard suspension which is shit from new.

And since when did the check car shocks at WOF time? I've seen cars that get WOFs with no damping what so ever

[Pixie]

When did we start talking about them searching your car? They have to have suspicion first, most likely under the misuse of drugs act.

And rego/wof/license are legal requirements to use your vehicle on the public road. They are there for a reason, even if they are not highly effective. By making sure unsafe cars and unsafe drivers are off the roads, the safer it is for everyone else.

Ooh I'm a safe driver I've got a New Zealand driver's licence and to get it I had to open a box of wheaties.
But but but it is as good as a German or UK one that I would have had to spend thousands to get the training to pass

[onearmedbandit]

Ooh I'm a safe driver I've got a New Zealand driver's licence and to get it I had to open a box of wheaties.
But but but it is as good as a German or UK one that I would have had to spend thousands to get the training to pass

Did you see the the words 'highly ineffective' in my post you quoted?

[onearmedbandit]

Blown fork seals are a cosmetic issue (the oil messes the bike up)

Really? I've heard it has more to do with the risk of oil making it's way on to the brakes then 'cosmetic' value. Unless of course at scrutineering on race day they are making sure your bike looks nice, not safe.

[Max Preload]

Blown fork seals are a cosmetic issue (the oil messes the bike up)
Many bikes have standard suspension which is shit from new.

And since when did the check car shocks at WOF time? I've seen cars that get WOFs with no damping what so ever

Leaking suspension seals are a WoF item - or at least EVIDENCE of them leaking is... However, the actual effective functioning of suspension is not. So if your fork seals leak and you need a WoF, remove the evidence of the leak or drain them completely! Sorted!

I stopped bothering with WoFs about 9 years ago. I do sometimes pop a vehicle in for a second opinion though I ignore anything that's not really a safety issue for anyone else (meaning I've never had to do a repair based on anything 'found' by that second opinion).

[MSTRS:Me]

I stopped bothering with WoFs about 9 years ago.

You may get away with it a lot. The cop only has to catch you once...
They do rego checks 'on the fly' all the time, so you don't even have to be doing anything to bring attention.

[riffer]

I stopped bothering with WoFs about 9 years ago.

I know how you fee as another motorcyclist who maintains his own vehicles. But most kiwis can't be trusted in this way or can't be bothered so the WOF system covers most of us this way.

However, you can't licence a vehicle without a current WOF. So you're illegally riding on the road that I helped to pay for.

Fair suck of the sav mate - people bitch about having to pay a raised ACC levy due to people that crash. I could say the same thing about having to pay a Roading Tax which could be lessened if people like yourself didn't shirk their responsibilities.

Or would having to pay the tax LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS EXPECTED TO be an onerous infringement of your "right" to avoid your responsibility as a NZ citizen and road user.

[yachtie10]

I know how you fee as another motorcyclist who maintains his own vehicles. But most kiwis can't be trusted in this way or can't be bothered so the WOF system covers most of us this way.

However, you can't licence a vehicle without a current WOF. So you're illegally riding on the road that I helped to pay for.

Fair suck of the sav mate - people bitch about having to pay a raised ACC levy due to people that crash. I could say the same thing about having to pay a Roading Tax which could be lessened if people like yourself didn't shirk their responsibilities.

Or would having to pay the tax LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS EXPECTED TO be an onerous infringement of your "right" to avoid your responsibility as a NZ citizen and road user.

While I tend to agree with your post
Do you actually think that the fee would go down if everyone paid it? Tui
Theres a shitload of money collected for roads already thats not used for it (petrol tax for a start)

I think one issue is the size of the inspection fee compared to the value gained. I have personally worked on compliance issues of the Computer systems now required by the LTSA (this was a while ago). This raised the cost quite substantially for a smallish gain in compliance.

[red mermaid]

So how do you re-licence your vehicles each year as they require a current WoF to do this.

And if you don't re-licence them then the registration is cancelled after 2 years.

As this system is computer based and has been running for more than a few years I think your statement below about not getting WoF's is B/S.

Leaking suspension seals are a WoF item - or at least EVIDENCE of them leaking is... However, the actual effective functioning of suspension is not. So if your fork seals leak and you need a WoF, remove the evidence of the leak or drain them completely! Sorted!

I stopped bothering with WoFs about 9 years ago. I do sometimes pop a vehicle in for a second opinion though I ignore anything that's not really a safety issue for anyone else (meaning I've never had to do a repair based on anything 'found' by that second opinion).