Invite - 2nd protest against police pursuits today

[marty]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10674354

so you bump it, but you have no opinion on the Police action in this case? Pursue for 200m, 200m later they crash and both die?

In the split second that you arrived at the scene, saw the offenders, they jump in the car and take off - what would you have done?

and remember, shining laser at cars doing 100km/h on the motorway is extremely dangerous and could easily result in a fatal crash.

[Berries]

Yesterdays paper - http://www.odt.co.nz/your-town/mosgi...osgiel-pursuit

Most of the ones that get called off don't even get reported on, but not much happens around here.

[davereid]

...and remember, shining laser at cars doing 100km/h on the motorway is extremely dangerous and could easily result in a fatal crash.

This is not a good argument to retain police chases.

1 in 4 pursuits ends in injury. It would be 1 in 10,000 shining laser at cars that ends in an injury. In fact less than that, as I don't think it has ever happened.

[Genestho]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10674354

so you bump it, but you have no opinion on the Police action in this case? Pursue for 200m, 200m later they crash and both die?

In the split second that you arrived at the scene, saw the offenders, they jump in the car and take off - what would you have done?

and remember, shining laser at cars doing 100km/h on the motorway is extremely dangerous and could easily result in a fatal crash.

Looks like the young man's been charged with manslaughter...
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...uckland-crash/

[candor]

Jaycherree Penelope Makakea and Joseph Jack Tawhai, both 20 .................................................. ..............................join high youth toll, sad


It is weird behaviour this laser thing but it's not yet established if the suspects were the ones doing it.
Personally I see a few issues with this chase - but the only obvious thing is that Collins pep talks asking offenders not to flee is not working very well yet. Maybe more soundbytes or a tv ad campaign with Collins holding up a stop sign will do it. It works so good with everything else.

Witnesses on tv news say the police spin is BS - it did not happen as per spin. Watch this space.

[98tls]

Jaycherree Penelope Makakea and Joseph Jack Tawhai, both 20 .................................................. ..............................join high youth toll, sad




Witnesses on tv news say the police spin is BS - it did not happen as per spin. Watch this space.

Cheers,i had no idea what the fuck he was saying,just seemed real excited about being on TV,whats it matter anyway,you do a runner theres a chance you will fuck up as we see once again,how theres any blame on the cops side is beyond me.Its so simple really.

[candor]

Luckily kids in my area don't need to worry about police chases but I have rellys in South Aucks - in Church St where it happened too, their kids would need to be kept on a short lead I imagine (or well back from the road side of footpaths). These walking school buses are a bad idea in low decile areas, as a routine chase could take out many kids at a time. Its so predictable - 1 dead, 2 dead, 2 dead - the big one is yet to come.

[98tls]

I am waiting for there spin on the stadium in Invercargill collapsing,no doubt there they were chasing some runner and bugger methe stadium collapsesBastards.

[Littleman]

Surprise.

I was waiting for them to announce that Sally Smith and David Johnson (both accountants of Sandringham) had died in the crash.

Oh well, can never pre judge I guess.

[candor]

Updates in debate

http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/cal...-video-3791499 A 6 minute interview i did with paul henry - we're seeking a Royal Comm to road safety program not just pursuits as it was implied...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4162...oad-fatalities Minister recognises road safety approach broken in damage control mode.

Bloggers opine
http://tumeke.blogspot.com/2010/09/r...-policies.html Judith Collins is crusher or hugger asks Left?
http://blairformayor.blogspot.com/ See post titled petrol heads - re youth chases

Herald series today (recommend - good job)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/social-iss...ectid=10675992 Judge Goddard pressures for uptake of IPCA recommendations

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/social-iss...ectid=10676002 Talk with International expert putting pressure on Police Commissioner

[scumdog]

Bump following deaths of 2 more innocent captive passengers in Onehunga - teens reportedly...

The perk of kicking around with a retard I guess...

[candor]

I will not ride with a drunk or drugged or anti police driver. Case for drafting a new safe teen driver contract? You have no vote in a drivers action. What if your kid is out and about and ends in an idiots car they mistook for a non idiot. What do you do if the driver does a runner - headlock? Seriously what? It can happen to anyone - wives with crap hubbys who drive dangerously as a mind-game, a lawyer mate said he is whiteknucked whenever in a fellow lawyers car so avoids it now but the first time didn't know it'd be that way... The memorial page for one Onehunga victim shows she was an asset to the community and a great loss to it - hundreds of people are devastated. Here are her vitals, about to turn 21 and to start a new job after losing their baby - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10676103

[marty]

Updates in debate

http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/cal...-video-3791499 A 6 minute interview i did with paul henry - we're seeking a Royal Comm to road safety program not just pursuits as it was implied...

that's 2 mins of my life i'm never going to get back.

[red mermaid]

Playing with stats in the Paul Henry interview and the increase in the number of pursuits in the last 6 years.

6 years ago Police did not have a reliable method of recording the number of pursuits. Now that they do every pursuit is now logged and recorded, whereas before a huge number were not.

Updates in debate

http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/cal...-video-3791499 A 6 minute interview i did with paul henry - we're seeking a Royal Comm to road safety program not just pursuits as it was implied...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4162...oad-fatalities Minister recognises road safety approach broken in damage control mode.

Bloggers opine
http://tumeke.blogspot.com/2010/09/r...-policies.html Judith Collins is crusher or hugger asks Left?
http://blairformayor.blogspot.com/ See post titled petrol heads - re youth chases

Herald series today (recommend - good job)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/social-iss...ectid=10675992 Judge Goddard pressures for uptake of IPCA recommendations

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/social-iss...ectid=10676002 Talk with International expert putting pressure on Police Commissioner

[candor]

Only insane economists like Tony Bliss would massively up road police funding to 300 million in a short period which has tripled crash costs to ACC to 700 mill - to return only 100mill in revenue. Lose - lose - lose. Whatever hair splitting gets done over stats its a runaway failure; both the road safety program and the chase side effect of it.

Admit failure of the genius bosses - move forward with solutions - why not?
From countries with a few clues - instant ban on traffic offence chases behind most of this trauma (a third to innocent parties) a la Qsld, smash that quota computer, gimme my sledgey... then... use INTELLIGENT alternatives to pursuit mania;

1. Heavy penalties aren't viable being proven in BOTH psychological and real world studies to up flight tendency and incidences so upping the harm - killer collins?
2. Rego and warrant checks and "howdy doody type stops" can be targeted instead at stationary not transit vehicles and their drivers". OK keep quotas and barricade off the 4 aves (letting grans pass) then deal tickets for suspensions etc...
3. ANPR or GPS darts or in car videos can be used to later catch up with those who do a bunk - your car and driver unidentified then they get the penalty.
4. WA is using in vehicle immobilisers to halt wannabe car thieves in their tracks
5. For serious violent offenders roads can be closed off – there should be none of this shameful pursuing of youths for 200 km over a stolen hunk of metal which risks 100's of lives. Allow ramming again to wind up necessary chases fast.