Anarchic Wild Child
Yeah .. it is counter clockwise ... as in sinister - the Devil's direction (don't ask about word derivations .. but that's where the concept comes from) You don't walk around a cemetrry in the Devil's direction ..Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
Who knows ... people call each other names all the time. I wonder if Māori is a word totally from our language or if it is one word that has become part of New Zealand's English-derived language. You do realise that English is a polyglot language - made up of five major languages and a myriad of smaller ones ...
Few if any words haver exact meanings - it depends on the context the word is used in. It can refer either to a non-Māori New Zealander, or a European-ancestry New Zealander.
In some contexts, for example a discussion on bi-culturalism, the answer is yes. In other contexts the answer is no. It really depends, as do the meaning of all words, what the speaker is trying to convey to the listener.
I dunno - How do you see yourself ? You could claim at least two of those Identity positions - probably more. I'd be inclined to say a typically mixed heritage New Zealander.
Identity is both claimed and assigned. I can make a judgement - as most humans do - but I may well be wrong.
(I love Mexican food - how's your cooking skills?)
Last edited by Banditbandit; 14th October 2010 at 16:40. Reason: still can't spell
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
Absolutely - I was shocked at the sadness of your response Mr Bear ... How dreadful to think that ...
New Zealanders have made a MASSIVE contribution to the world in terms of arts and culture, science, social developments and improvements, medicine, sports, ... on and on ...
And while I might stick my Māori side up front, I have white New Zealand ancestory and relations ... I'm proud of them too ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
Blood quantum does not matter to us. It only matters to Pākehā to use as a weapon to say that our culture no longer matters because we are no longer a "pure" breed. What is "racial purity"? A concept from Nazi germany ?
We do not exlude people from our groups because they are not "pure". That's a very Pākehā idea as far as I can see.
Yeah .. that bothers most of us too ... it's the wrong word ...
Good. Excellent. Let us be what we know we are ... why do you trry to tell us that "you are no longer pure so your culture does not matter?
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
People, it's been an interesting two days in this discussion. I thank you for the support I have recieved in bling and personal messages.
I must leave this now - my wife will be waiting at home so ...
I'm sure there will be lots of discussion over night. I will look in tomorrow.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Highway Biker
I personally find it disgusting, not the advisory but the people whining about it. (Probably jumping on the bandwagon too late, 7 pages...)
The museum never banned them, they advised them for their own safety, it's the equivalent of recommending pregnant women not to drink for their own and childs safety.
I'm neither Maori, nor religious of any sort(and usually the first to bitch about compulsory customs/religion/beliefs etc) but it was a tour of Maori Heritage and it's one of their beliefs, much like taking your shoes off walking into a Mosque and it's not compulsory. You don't HAVE to, and they won't tackle you to the ground and forcefully remove them/you from it, they're just advising based on their own beliefs.
Start complaining when they have you sign a form saying you are neither pregnant or menstruating and you may be forcefully evicted if you are. It's not discrimination in the slightest.
Might as well say the donation box out front is discriminating against the poor who can't afford to donate.
Edit: Will start reading the other pages, wouldn't be surprised if this point hasn't already been brought up.
Hardcore Biker
this thread could go on forever
there are definitely 2 distinct schools of thought
neither of which will ever agree
the unfortunate thing is debates like these do not lead to agreement compromise or acceptance of other cultures but to a hardening of attitudes on all sides
in the end the real loser is NZ with a divided society
Hardcore Biker
Now I heard this (whether true or not) a long time ago from a Cook Islander in Huntly so some details may be messed up. He told me the tradition started there in the Cooks. Some Chief got a bee in his bonnet because he was losing in fights or battles when normally his spiritual intuition enabled right sensing, predictions of enemy moves and strategy.
He noticed that some woman was sitting on his seat, so blamed the contamination of his usual prowess and winning energy on her reproductive organs more or less draining off so cursing his vitality drawn from ancestors by a sort of transference.
As in she sat there then he did and then he lost a battle so it was her fault.
He then declared his seat tapu and killed her, but then he kind of began adding more and more rules about keeping female reproduction and important persons/things separate based on his bad experience. This resulted in a lot of woman being killed for infringing, as infringing obviously was serious as it puts the tribe at risk for being invaded successfully. This made him quite unpopular so he had to get in a boat several hundred years ago and his beliefs were sown elsewhere...
As the media said dodgy women can still see the exhibit but must please declare their status I wonder if this means that karakia will then be performed after such visits for the womens and weapons benefit? Not sure why else they'd want to know of transgressions.
"channellling the Pleideans"
actually no, I think dialogue like this means that there is LESS division and eventually, less hatred.
I can be an unsympathetic fucker, but I definitely have learned some stuff reading this thread. Like I said, I'm not sure I will agree or see it, but I think I can respect it.
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
Sir Cumference
I would think society would reject your assertion to speak on its behalf - but your own hardened attitude speaks for itself.
Can I believe the magic of your size... (The Shirelles)
Come warm yourself by the fire
lol
6 bro's were killed today in a horrible fire in New York. When the NY authorities notified the family. Members of the family were shocked. The mother of the youngest, repeating "Shut up eh, its not him, its some otha fella aye.."
Reactor Online. Sensors Online. Weapons Online. All Systems Nominal.
Come warm yourself by the fire
Or ring bells........but the church seem to fuck that one up frequently.
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NEDWN VIII
Your intepretation of what I said is faulted....
Lucky I never made you sign anything
Forum whore
Excellent thread here Genie, it's good to see a racism vs sexism thread.
Takes the heat off us white males for a change - go for it, let the blood flow.
Forum whore
Pun intended ?
Actually, I shouldn't joke. I'm an import, moved here 15 years ago from England. I have my own fairly strong views on the way Maori are treated in NZ based on a number of issues which I won't bore you with. But this thread has opened my mind a bit due to a couple of posts from Banditbandit.
Having said that, when my wife has got the painters in I have to go to museums to get out of the house, so may be this is a domestic violence harm reduction policy ? Go ACC
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