The Hon. Judith Collins and her trusty coppers wonder why they have so little respect

**MSTRS:Me** · 16th October 2010, 08:07

Originally Posted by red mermaid

Important piece missing from this report as well, it was the highest level of trust for any Govt dept.

Which is not necessarily saying what you imply...

**scumdog** · 16th October 2010, 08:43

Originally Posted by Berries

You would expect that the Police should have the highest level of trust of any government department. One of out of four people not trusting them seems like a sad indictment actually, and nothing to be shouting about.

Fark, what are the other departments like? - who gets MORE trust from the people?

And what ranking do the law/policy making politicians get??

PS: I could find a group that would give you 0 out of 4 trusting Police....

**MSTRS:Me** · 16th October 2010, 08:58

Originally Posted by scumdog

PS: I could find a group that would give you 0 out of 4 trusting Police....

The challenge would be to find a group where 4 out of 4 trusts the police

**scumdog** · 16th October 2010, 09:14

Originally Posted by MSTRS

The challenge would be to find a group where 4 out of 4 trusts the police

Pfft, easy!

(And I'm not talking about work mates either..)

I guess it depends on what part of Godzone ya live in...

**schrodingers cat** · 16th October 2010, 09:24

I got a ticket recently.

He said 'That's a bit quick for this time of day' which was fair enough.
"I'm going to give you a ticket cause thats what I'm paid to do" which was also a resonable position.
He asked if I wanted to see the nice readout but I assured him that I trusted his ability.
Anyhoo - the speed on the ticket was a bit lower than I thought it might have been so who knows?

I took a managed risk which was also against the law. I got caught (see - my fault not his) We both behaved in a civil manner.

If he had been jumping up and down I think the responsibility would lay with me not to escalate the situation.
If you wonder if you've behaved like a cock, ring an ex girlfriend/boyfreind for their opinion.

**Berries** · 16th October 2010, 15:41

Originally Posted by scumdog

PS: I could find a group that would give you 0 out of 4 trusting Police....

The residents of Milton don't count.

**BoristheBiter** · 16th October 2010, 15:45

Originally Posted by red mermaid

Seems the entire topic of this thread may have been a waste of time...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3047...-police-survey

Important piece missing from this report as well, it was the highest level of trust for any Govt dept.

you know you should never belive everthing you read.

**Patrick** · 17th October 2010, 10:32

Originally Posted by Berries

You would expect that the Police should have the highest level of trust of any government department. One of out of four people not trusting them seems like a sad indictment actually, and nothing to be shouting about.

I didn't think 1 out of 4 not trusting the cops was too bad from the prison population that did the survey.....

**Ocean1** · 17th October 2010, 16:53

Way I see it it's real simple.

A: The sworn constabulary are happy that the rule of law is fair and the regulation of it just. They believe the law constitutes a social agreement regarding acceptable public behaviour worth enforcing. They believe this agreement is largely accepted by the vast majority of those whose lives it affects and strive first and foremost to maintain their own record as whiter than white in order to encourage the same quality of behaviour from everyone else. They consider anything less from their own ranks as not only criminal but monumentally hypocritical.

If, (as a member of the public) this is what I see then I tend to behave myself largely according to these accepted tenets. Albeit with occasional grumbling and perhaps once in a while a sheepishly acknowledged medium sized transgression.

This works largely as advertised.

B: The police are the troops belonging to an organisation representing the most sophisticated extortion racket ever known. They are aware of this and work to disguise it by adopting internal behaviour similar to “A”.

This, (as long as at least one of my orifices continues to indicate a general southerly aspect) doesn’t work.

So, which is it, gentlemen, “A”, or “B”?

**scumdog** · 17th October 2010, 17:42

I'm 'C'!

**BoristheBiter** · 18th October 2010, 07:15

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Way I see it it's real simple.

A: The sworn constabulary are happy that the rule of law is fair and the regulation of it just. They believe the law constitutes a social agreement regarding acceptable public behaviour worth enforcing. They believe this agreement is largely accepted by the vast majority of those whose lives it affects and strive first and foremost to maintain their own record as whiter than white in order to encourage the same quality of behaviour from everyone else. They consider anything less from their own ranks as not only criminal but monumentally hypocritical.

If, (as a member of the public) this is what I see then I tend to behave myself largely according to these accepted tenets. Albeit with occasional grumbling and perhaps once in a while a sheepishly acknowledged medium sized transgression.

This works largely as advertised.

B: The police are the troops belonging to an organisation representing the most sophisticated extortion racket ever known. They are aware of this and work to disguise it by adopting internal behaviour similar to “A”.

This, (as long as at least one of my orifices continues to indicate a general southerly aspect) doesn’t work.

So, which is it, gentlemen, “A”, or “B”?

Well if you go by the survey then it's A.
If you go by the amount of crying on here then it's B.