Police above reproach?

[rastuscat]

http://www.ipca.govt.nz/tools/email....ECT=complaints

Do something about it. Don't make the complaint emotional or personal, stick to the facts.

Even if nothing comes of it, the cop involved will have cause to think that people are watching.

[schrodingers cat]

But you still feel the need to post your condescending, irrelevent comments?

Terribly sorry. I've changed my mind. I totally agree with you. You're right. You should be in charge. I'll keep my opinions to myself since you have sufficient. My bad for misunderstanding what a 'forum' is. Silly me. Its not my hooby horse to ride then. I'll be on my way.
Sorry.
Didn't mean to upset you. I see you feel strongly about this.I guess you'll be taking action then. From your couch? Yes. Best place to stamp your foot.
Awfully dangerous out there in the world not being able to distinguish police and criminals (that should be criminals and criminals shouldn't it?) But you see I do understand. We pay for one group and we pay for the other group. No difference really. I'd never let my daughter date a cop. Would you?
Oh yes, you're right again. I was just leaving.
Sorry.
Bye.

[Scuba_Steve]

http://www.ipca.govt.nz/tools/email....ECT=complaints

Do something about it. Don't make the complaint emotional or personal, stick to the facts.

Even if nothing comes of it, the cop involved will have cause to think that people are watching.

problem is most complaints don't leave the 1st stage as the IPCC is about as independent as sprite is to coca-cola so the cop doesn't even know he was complained about.

[Patrick]

I've done some stupid things in my life,felt i've come close to death a number of times, but earlier in the week i almost got hit by a copper in a police pursuit and i shit my pants (nearly).
I was in st helliers and the cops were chasing a guy in a lowered mercedes.
I don't care what this guy had done, nothing justified the reckless driving by the popo trying to stop him. They had a helicopter out, all they had to do was sit and wait.
Their reckless disregard for public safety was astonishing, it was the worst driving i have ever seen by anyone, ever, in the world.
I don't think i'm being sensationalist when i say i was suprised i didn't see dead people that day.
i can see how innocent people get killed by the cops, or the bloke getting chased by the cops.
i don't know what the answer is to the chase or not to chase question, but nothing in my mind justified what i saw, right past a school, those lollipop girls out practising their crossing procedure with the swinging lollipop things. frightening.

I had little love for the cops before but that's gone now, disgusted.


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If, and I mean a big IF, it was as bad as you claim, make a complaint. If the helecopter was involved, it is all recorded from the air. Cops doing stupid shite will be on tape. The film footage compared to the radio transmissions could be interesting - especially if they aren't mentioning the obvious, such as school crossings, kids about, etc.....

..... My beef is with her though, not the entire Police force.

........ I have to say that I am now less likely to go out of my way to do anything for the Police as a result.

So which way is it then? A beef with the one, or a hate on for all....????

Followed up by this.....

Then one cop in 20 does something utterly brain-dead and we're shallow enough to think that they're all like that.

Confused now....

And as for the checkpoint, complain. Do nothing, get nothing.

....(and yes they are pursuits not a "failed to stop" as some senior police officials are trying to label it as to avoid police having any responsibility)

Nope. "Fleeing Driver" is what they are, and is what they are now called...

Idiot driver/rider chooses to do the runner, check.
Police Officers choose to chase said idiot, check.
Police Officers choose to drive in a manner that potentially could harm themselves/public, FAIL.

The Police are supposed to be the smart ones in the equation and in my opinion ought to know when things are too dicey to continue the pursuit.

Yep. And that is one of the reasons why they abandon them....

The police are in a lose - lose situation here.

Especially as views from either side will always be different.

Person runs from minor crime.
People say don't persue its minor crime.

what about the victim of that minor crime?
They will want the bastard caught.

Later on in the evening same person gets pissed and wipes out another driver. Possibly a motorcyclist.

It comes out that earlier in the evening he was in the polices line of sight.

Now general public is baying for police blood because they didnt stop said driver.


Rewind to inital chase

Police continue persuit, someone is hurt in chase, doesnt matter if it is driver or cops fault.
Public bay for police blood.

Another option

Police persue in first instance, safely bring pursuit to a close, arrest said offender.
Public are none the wiser and dont care.

I am not a police apologist, but can see they can't win. What ever choice they make, someone will complain that it was the wrong one. I, for one, would rather have the Police there, than not have them there.

Summed up well. Thats it - in a nut shell....

It maybe boring to some. It may have been done to death a thousand times before, but guess what. We are the customers, we are the taxpayers, our voice, our opinion is supposed to count & maybe even matter to some people.

The Police HQ sit there and wonder why people are losing respect for them.

You don't have to look far to see why.

You forgot to add "We pay their wages...."

People lose the respect because they don't like to be told "You can't do that..." It all begins in the homes where parents can't control their kids, then the schools, where teachers can't control them, to when they grow up into out of control kids with piss poor attitudes and no one can cotrol them because they have "rights."

And some of them join the Police.....

... if the person is known just let 'em go & catch up with them later....

It is how it is.... another reason why they are abandoned - or never get off the ground in the first place....

http://www.ipca.govt.nz/tools/email....ECT=complaints

Do something about it. Don't make the complaint emotional or personal, stick to the facts.

Even if nothing comes of it, the cop involved will have cause to think that people are watching.

Exactly.....

problem is most complaints don't leave the 1st stage as the IPCC is about as independent as sprite is to coca-cola so the cop doesn't even know he was complained about.

Funny. What bullshit.

Having seen PCA's in action, and up close, no one is more scrutinised than the cop on the receiving end....... Crims have more rights.

[DMNTD:Me]

the police here get all hyped up with the chases, i think the whole point of this thread was the fact that the police were driving in a recless manner passed a school with a school crossing patrol out! with i belive no suspect in front of them? so there for no reason for there carless use of a motor vehicle. or exsesive speed passed a school!

Indeed, you freaking nut bar
Was my point too. The Police are/should be smart enough to know when they too are just adding to the potential of 'damage'.

[James Deuce]

Patrick, I'm simply reporting my experiences and reactions. I'm not asking you to validate them.

You're confused that I can see both sides of the coin and that I'm annoyed at getting pinged for something I didn't do?

The world isn't black and white.

Can I add a bit to the story? After my accident in January the cop who attended was fabulous BUT he consistently ranted at my wife that there was no way a bike would slide 85 metres if I wasn't speeding. Now my wife was not is a good state. She'd had a nasty phone call from me, her family were initially refusing to help so she couldn't get to me and the cop wouldn't shut up about charging me with something, completely ignoring the fact that I'd been nailed by some farmer's wandering stock and someone had removed the ear tag from the animal and left me unattended and unconscious on the side of the road.

The SCU ripped him a new one and estimated that my maximum speed at the time of impact was 75km/hr and more likely 55-65km/hr given that part of the trip my bike took was down a short but steep gradient at the start of a driveway. This was on an open road. The SCU cop who ran my investigation also looked after Hitcher's incident and could not have been more of a gentleman.

I don't know how to rationalise the dichotomy where on the one hand they're marvellous at the scene and get you sorted quickly and are genuinely concerned but with in seconds of the helicopter taking off my wife is being told that I'm facing a prolonged loss of licence and a possible jail term for excessive speed. Surely that could have been left until there were some actual facts to hand?

As I said though my experience of cops is entirely moderated by circumstance. I do not feel well disposed toward the constabulary in general due to repeated instances this year where I've been dealt to, fairly or unfairly, but unlike some of the rabid haters I am not predisposed to hating ALL dirty, stinking, filthy, coppers, because SOME lie and some are sadists.

I am happy to give the Police some leeway for being human. How about you do the same for me?

[Dave-]

They had a helicopter out, all they had to do was sit and wait.

for what? the merc to go plowing into you? or a child?

the police are trained to drive and chase at speed, their risk assesment and judgement is several orders of magnitude greater than yours.

now that is sensationalist.

[Squiggles]

problem is most complaints don't leave the 1st stage as the IPCC is about as independent as sprite is to coca-cola so the cop doesn't even know he was complained about.

[Scuba_Steve]

Funny. What bullshit.
Having seen PCA's in action, and up close, no one is more scrutinised than the cop on the receiving end....... Crims have more rights.

have you people used the service? By all means it is ALOT better than trying to complain about a judge they're protected better than the priests molesting little boys. But I've only ever had 1 of all my valid complaints make it past the IPCC 1st stage, and it was probably the most minor of all complaints in-fact I think it would be the only one where there was no legal ramifications for the officer involved.

[Swoop]

the police are trained to drive and chase at speed, their risk assesment and judgement is several orders of magnitude greater than yours.

They are nothing more than "human".

[tri boy]

If a repected judge can wipe his arse with NZ law, and get a damn near $mil payout, then the rozza's can do what they please also.
Do as we say, not do as we do.

[Expert]

for what? the merc to go plowing into you? or a child?

the police are trained to drive and chase at speed, their risk assesment and judgement is several orders of magnitude greater than yours.

now that is sensationalist.

Because that wouldn't happen if they werent being chased?

[Expert]

Terribly sorry. I've changed my mind. I totally agree with you. You're right. You should be in charge. I'll keep my opinions to myself since you have sufficient. My bad for misunderstanding what a 'forum' is. Silly me. Its not my hooby horse to ride then. I'll be on my way.
Sorry.
Didn't mean to upset you. I see you feel strongly about this.I guess you'll be taking action then. From your couch? Yes. Best place to stamp your foot.
Awfully dangerous out there in the world not being able to distinguish police and criminals (that should be criminals and criminals shouldn't it?) But you see I do understand. We pay for one group and we pay for the other group. No difference really. I'd never let my daughter date a cop. Would you?
Oh yes, you're right again. I was just leaving.
Sorry.
Bye.

Thank fuck, stay gone you twat.

[schrodingers cat]

Thank fuck, stay gone you twat.

The difference is - I knew I was being a twat...

[miloking]

for what? the merc to go plowing into you? or a child?

the police are trained to drive and chase at speed, their risk assesment and judgement is several orders of magnitude greater than yours.

now that is sensationalist.

Ohh thats right because our superman cops are able to stop 2 ton holden on a dime when little girl jumps in front of it.....must be some awesome training they go thru then, power of judgement as you say i reckon...