Dumb fucks with guns.

[sidecar bob]

Your mistake is to use this thread, which is about a gun-toting moron, to lump all true hunters in the same basket as him - and then expect a sympathetic response.

I doubt I lumped all hunters into one basket, I mereley asked a question in a place where i thought there would be plenty of kind folk to fill me in on what has long been one of lifes great mysteries to me.
All I got for the most part, was angry defensive put downs & lumped in with a bunch of greenies just because i have an aversion to killing stuff.
Just because somebody dosent cherish the thought of blowing holes in living stuff does not automatically make them a greenie.
At least one kind gentleman took the time to give a honest calm, non hysterical & informative answer, which has gone some way to helping me "get it" thankyou Mr Duckonin.

[Hans]

No tone there Tiger. Just a statement. Question...why did you do it before and why don't you now?
You are obviously on the opposite of the fence to me...otherwise i would think we would be agreeing in some form or another.

I wouldn't say I'm in direct opposition to you either. I just don't see hunting with a firearm as "sport". I fully understand the thrill of the hunt... And the way it ties in with hunting "accidents".

As to why I did it then and don't now:

I hunted then because it was part of what I did and what I wanted to learn and learn about. I've never hunted with a firearm and never will, unless it really becomes necessary for the survival of me and mine.

I don't hunt now, because I cannot justify it to myself in my current situation.

Notice that I've never said that others shouldn't hunt or enjoy hunting. If they don't have a problem justifying it to themselves or they don't even think about it in those terms (am I justified in doing this) then it's their call.

[Delerium]

Why the anger? it seems to be the standard response from these shoot em up types, which is a bit disconcerting really.
Im far from a greenie, & you still havent helped me to understand whats so fun about killing shit.

becuase your attitude of superiority about something you dont understand and are argueably slightly hypocratic, pisses people off.

[Delerium]

And still no explination.
Are you guys too embarresed to say what your motivation is for wanting to kill stuff?
Im not a greenie by a long shot & im not bitchy, im just fucked if i know what the buzz is & you arent helping me to get it at all.
Its always "get over yourself" "youre a hypocryte greenie" "your posts are too bitchy" Just give me a real fucking answer to a real fucking question. How fucking hard is it?
Case in point, the idiot that this thread was started about just wanted to kill whatever he saw that was moving, regardless of wether it was a deer, cow horse or pig.
As it turned out, it was a contributing member of society.
So what kind of buzz was he on to just kill some random living thing he had no idea what it was?
If it had have been an animal, what was fun about wasting it?
For crying down a bloody sink bench, can someone please fill me in here?

I had a motorcyclist cut me off once. I dont understand them, bloody hoons, have no place in society, lets ban all motor bikes.

Your attitude is the problem. Dont try and enforce your values on me, its not wanted. Dont stereotype me when you dont know me, its not wanted. Meat does not come in white packets from the supermarket. Hunters work hard to get their meat and show a bit more resepect than joe bloggs who says they are cruel and unnecessary while munching on his cow that has been bread to die. you cant take the moral high ground.

[Katman]

Interesting to note that all the great white hunters are conveniently ignoring post #109.

[Delerium]

A friend of mine was telling about an experiment that was carried out.

A large piece of plywood was placed in the bush with two marbles glued to it.

It ended up with countless bullet holes left in the plywood.

What the fuck did those people think they were shooting at?

Ill bite, perhaps a convenient piece of wood to sight in their rifle before a hunt? or something to plink at before leaving? I wonder If I can hit the marble?

[98tls]

Interesting to note that all the great white hunters are conveniently ignoring post #109.

Huntings one thing,reading however..........

[Katman]

Ill bite, perhaps a convenient piece of wood to sight in their rifle before a hunt? or something to plink at before leaving? I wonder If I can hit the marble?

You're clutching at straws.

[Hans]

You're clutching at straws.

I believe he is.

[98tls]

After 128 posts the answers simple really,dont give North Islanders guns (theres that word again),jesus have we learnt nothing since giving them 4wds.

[jonbuoy]

Your mistake is to use this thread, which is about a gun-toting moron, to lump all true hunters in the same basket as him - and then expect a sympathetic response.

The Hunter / Killer instinct is part of the human evolutionary psyche. A single generation of latte-sipping PC society will not undo four million years of human instinct.

Like it or not, that instinct is part of all of us. It is expressed in many strange ways in our oddly castrated society - whether that be through a constant diet of violent computer games, or a more detached and observational aggression through violent TV shows and a never-ending stream of antagonistic "humiliation and elimination" reality shows. The consumers of such modern-day outlets would no doubt consider themselves more "civilised" than hunters - I beg to differ.

There is a "thrill" associated with the hunt - and also the kill. But there is seldom "pleasure" in the kill. Most hunters will strive to cause the least amount of suffering to an animal, and will often admit to disliking that small part of the process.

By far the vast majority of hunting in NZ is for introduced "pest" animals - most notably the humble rabbit and possum. Their numbers HAVE to be controlled, and hunters know that a swift death by bullet is by far the most humane method of culling, rather than an agonised death by poisoning. Unfortunately the latte-swillers would disagree.

Most hunters are true ecologists. When hunting, they spend most of their time watching, learning, and understanding. They understand that compassion and empathy is not incompatible with hunting and killing, but instead learn to understand such conflicts as being part of our interaction with the natural world. The scorn and hatred of the hypocritical city-living "greenies" means little when you're out there.

From my perspective, a hunter really understands the value of life, and is invariably the better person for it.

You keep enjoying your burgers, secure in the knowledge that (hopefully) no-one enjoyed themselves in putting that meat before you.

As others have pointed out, it is all but impossible to put this into words - just like it's impossible to explain to a non-biker why the discomforts and risks of motorcycling are worth it. They don't understand, so they don't get it.

But we know differently - and the scorn of others means little.

Wow thats deep, but how hard is it REALLY to make sure its not a human your shooting? Its not life and death or survival for the hunter only the hunted.

[sidecar bob]

becuase your attitude of superiority about something you dont understand and are argueably slightly hypocratic, pisses people off.

Yep, i didnt understand it, & if you read the rest of my stuff, i was begging for someone to help me understand. Apparently i just looked like a soap boxing greenie, from people that are behaving suspiciously like their brother & their father are the same person.

[Grubber]

Katman opened with 'Dumb Fucks With Guns'.
Grasshopper lobbed in "people who are into guns are immature 'tards..."

How can we disagree with that?

How also can we disagree with Virago at post #108, backing up both points clearly and eloquently in my mind - vis (from words anyhow) whom I'd be happy seeing at the non pointy end.

Read the Invisible Gorilla to find out how even you could be confused as to whether something was a possum or a deer.
Those that can't recognise the flaw in our nature, and also the need to skip a shot (like missing an overtake) shouldn't own a weapon/motorcycle.

Them should stick to spearing elk.

Well said. I have had a read of the Invisible Gorilla, it's actually quite a good read.
I have one, ok maybe 2 points.
"Dumb fucks with Guns" i would agree with to the point that maybe it should be "some Dumb Fucks with Guns". All gun owners are not dumb fucks.
2nd. 'people who own guns are immature tards". Huge generalization. 90% of people that own firearms are very responsible people.
As in the motorcycle fraternity, there is always a small percentage that let the side down badly.
This idiot in the weekend was one of those 10 times over.

[Grubber]

Wow thats deep, but how hard is it REALLY to make sure its not a human your shooting? Its not life and death or survival for the hunter only the hunted.

It's not hard at all. Been hunting for nearly 35 years and i have never had even a single doubt as to what i was aiming at. I don't get that bit either. I guess i just make so absolutely sure each time it becomes very natural. No, i still have no idea???

[Grubber]

Interesting to note that all the great white hunters are conveniently ignoring post #109.

As a hunter shooter i didn't see anything worth commenting on.
I have often found something target orientated in the bush or paddock to set a target with or just merely empty a couple of innocent rounds into, just to see if i can "hit the eye' as in bulls eye. Not much more to it than that really.
But you can go assume your worst if you want!