Police saving our lives again

[Swoop]

just 15?
In the Netherlands it's a minimum of 25 hours for a car license, and 20 for a motorcycle.. the rest is exactly the same.

A minimum of 15...

[Ocean1]

why try and change her attitude by penalising her when educating makes more sense?

Here's another one: Why try to change anyone's attitude by penalising them when it doesn't work?

As a mitigating strategy for adults it's utterly pointless, as an exercise in authority it's counterproductive and as an example of human sociological behaviour it's odious in the extreme.

*Sigh* Leme see... Assuming that:
All motorists have a speed at which they are less likely to make mistakes. This speed varies from one motorist to another.

All motorists have a certain, quantifiable ability to focus on the task in hand, be it writing counting stock or driving. This ability varies from one motorist to another.

All motorists have a particular set of abilities relating to spatial awareness and speed perception. This ability varies enormously from one motorist to another.

All motorists have a set database of experience from which they can evaluate the behaviour of other motorists and how that might affect their safe options. This ability varies, a lot, from one whippersnapper to another old codger.

All motorists have an ability to react rapidly and correctly to potentially harmful events.

Need I go on? You can’t construct a single set of rules for behaviour which makes everyone safe. You can’t even make a set of rules that necessarily make everyone safer than having no rules at all. Yeah, I know, it’s heretical. Prove me wrong. A wee visit to any one of a number of major Asian cities would settle the issue, the rules aren’t policed at all, they’re universally ignored and the accident rate isn’t distinguishable from such self-flagellating, anally retentive communities as we have here.

I can’t believe the bullshit I read here: “Everyone but me is incompetent, I want to train them until they see things my way and then I want to ping the fuck out of them until I they do what I want.”

I’ve had a guts full of wee small men who see the whole structure of authority as a means of asserting dominance. Sick of it. Here’s a novel idea: FUCK OFF. Let each of us behave the way we believe manages the best compromise between the public and personal good.

I wonder if I’ll live long enough to end up in pokey for not paying that parking fine...

[Brian d marge]

Here's another one: Why try to change anyone's attitude by penalising them when it doesn't work?

As a mitigating strategy for adults it's utterly pointless, as an exercise in authority it's counterproductive and as an example of human sociological behaviour it's odious in the extreme.

*Sigh* Leme see... Assuming that:
All motorists have a speed at which they are less likely to make mistakes. This speed varies from one motorist to another.

All motorists have a certain, quantifiable ability to focus on the task in hand, be it writing counting stock or driving. This ability varies from one motorist to another.

All motorists have a particular set of abilities relating to spatial awareness and speed perception. This ability varies enormously from one motorist to another.

All motorists have a set database of experience from which they can evaluate the behaviour of other motorists and how that might affect their safe options. This ability varies, a lot, from one whippersnapper to another old codger.

All motorists have an ability to react rapidly and correctly to potentially harmful events.

Need I go on? You can’t construct a single set of rules for behaviour which makes everyone safe. You can’t even make a set of rules that necessarily make everyone safer than having no rules at all. Yeah, I know, it’s heretical. Prove me wrong. A wee visit to any one of a number of major Asian cities would settle the issue, the rules aren’t policed at all, they’re universally ignored and the accident rate isn’t distinguishable from such self-flagellating, anally retentive communities as we have here.

I can’t believe the bullshit I read here: “Everyone but me is incompetent, I want to train them until they see things my way and then I want to ping the fuck out of them until I they do what I want.”

I’ve had a guts full of wee small men who see the whole structure of authority as a means of asserting dominance. Sick of it. Here’s a novel idea: FUCK OFF. Let each of us behave the way we believe manages the best compromise between the public and personal good.

I wonder if I’ll live long enough to end up in pokey for not paying that parking fine...

Places like Canada have quite reasonable traffic laws ( from memory ) , where they use the 80-/20 rule ,,,80 percent will drive to the road condition , and 20 wont
so monitor the traffic , see what the median speed it and set it at that , THEN fine /educate /beat those that dont ....

Stephen

[Rych]

Here's another one: Why try to change anyone's attitude by penalising them when it doesn't work?

As a mitigating strategy for adults it's utterly pointless, as an exercise in authority it's counterproductive and as an example of human sociological behaviour it's odious in the extreme.

*Sigh* Leme see... Assuming that:
All motorists have a speed at which they are less likely to make mistakes. This speed varies from one motorist to another.

All motorists have a certain, quantifiable ability to focus on the task in hand, be it writing counting stock or driving. This ability varies from one motorist to another.

All motorists have a particular set of abilities relating to spatial awareness and speed perception. This ability varies enormously from one motorist to another.

All motorists have a set database of experience from which they can evaluate the behaviour of other motorists and how that might affect their safe options. This ability varies, a lot, from one whippersnapper to another old codger.

All motorists have an ability to react rapidly and correctly to potentially harmful events.

Need I go on? You can’t construct a single set of rules for behaviour which makes everyone safe. You can’t even make a set of rules that necessarily make everyone safer than having no rules at all. Yeah, I know, it’s heretical. Prove me wrong. A wee visit to any one of a number of major Asian cities would settle the issue, the rules aren’t policed at all, they’re universally ignored and the accident rate isn’t distinguishable from such self-flagellating, anally retentive communities as we have here.

I can’t believe the bullshit I read here: “Everyone but me is incompetent, I want to train them until they see things my way and then I want to ping the fuck out of them until I they do what I want.”

I’ve had a guts full of wee small men who see the whole structure of authority as a means of asserting dominance. Sick of it. Here’s a novel idea: FUCK OFF. Let each of us behave the way we believe manages the best compromise between the public and personal good.

I wonder if I’ll live long enough to end up in pokey for not paying that parking fine...

Interesting post mate, and I can agree with a lot of what you say. Rules/regulations/limits don't necessarily make anything any better. The fact is that human's will keep trying, keep changing, keep researching and certain things will never change, we are just humans.

I believe a lot of New Zealander's expect a lot, blame agencies, blame the police, have their little/big ideas they think will just magically fix everything, the fact is everything said in this thread has probably been thought of, the police have looked into, you just can't fix everything.

[SpeedMonger]

I believe a lot of New Zealander's expect a lot, blame agencies, blame the police, have their little/big ideas they think will just magically fix everything, the fact is everything said in this thread has probably been thought of, the police have looked into, you just can't fix everything.

What sort of defeatist nanny state bollox is that? I have a 7.62mm smokestick that has the capability to fix any problem I point it at ....

As a bone fide taxpayer I am entitled to expect a lot, including sensible traffic laws.

[scumdog]

As a bone fide taxpayer I am entitled to expect a lot, including sensible traffic laws.

And I expect to win Lotto...

[pritch]

And I expect to win Lotto...

Just 'cause you got your picture on TV it doesn't necessarily follow that you're going to win Lotto.

[shrub]

What sort of defeatist nanny state bollox is that? I have a 7.62mm smokestick that has the capability to fix any problem I point it at ....

As a bone fide taxpayer I am entitled to expect a lot, including sensible traffic laws.

The only problem is the majority of our good citizens have been educated to believe that sensible traffic laws include 100 kmh open road maximums, and TPTB are working hard to set us up for a 4 kmh tolerance instead of 10 kmh.

Politically we're in a conservative phase which is why our country is run by bankers and accountants, and something as radical as looking beyond "excessive speed = dangerous and excessive speed is 105 kmh" is unlikely.

[Varkp]

104 kph = more revenue

child abuse cases = NO revenue

go figure ..

[Max Preload]

That's the rub, isn't it? For every person experienced and capable, comfortable with speeds over the speed limit, there are a few hundred, (thousand?), who are, shall we say, "Unsafe at any speed!" The cops have no way of telling if the person they clock over the limit is competent or not and speed cameras are arbitrary and impersonal.

That's where proper driving testing comes in. Right now we're catering for people who should never have been let loose on the road in the first place. They believe that as long as they drive slow they're good drivers.

[Patrick]

Perhaps if we could see the full story behind the fatalities it would help? Okay we are told that "speed and alcohol" or "driver inattention" or "mechanical failure" was a contributory factor, but, couold we be told the complete story?..

The Traffic Crash Report has many stat gathering boxes that needs filling. Its all there, including, race, age, sex, weather and road conditions, lighting, advisories and speed limits, the list goes on....

Some of the things that cause crashes are never known, because one doesn't readily admit they fell asleep, were texting at the time etc... So it can be hard to guage an exact reason - but speed and physics is easy to detect and is hard to dispute...

There isn't a box though, for that fucking black dog that caused them to swerve to avoid, and then crash... That mutt gets around.....

You're an old cunt aincha? Don't you remember the LSZ signs around the countryside? Well the road toll was lower when we had 'em, it's that simple..

LSZ's lowered the road toll?

If Police presence lowers the road toll by reducing tiredness and stupidity

And the fact says increasing speed (e.g., from 80kph to 100kph) reduces the road toll

Then obviously if we want 0 road fatality, we should have roads with unlimited speed and lined with police cars.

Yep. That'll work.... Until the numpties fall off the road into them parked Police Cars. Coz it'll be their fault, being parked there and all.....

Drove down to Hamilton to visit the outlaws.. There were lots of signs telling us that there were more cops out there and yes I saw a couple too. However I saw four speed camera vans as well, so I guess some cops got some fishing in.

The unmarked vans were parked in obscure little spots to trap speedsters. ?

1. Cops don't run speed camera vans....

2. Just speeders? Says who? Perhaps they were there looking for crap passing in blind spots, cutting in when overtaking, tailgaters, slow drivers, just to name a few....

But hey, keep flashing them headlights to warn all those piss poor drivers to never get caught.

You can do sneaky things like....oh no, thats right, people whinge about that sort of thing and flash their headlights to warn other drivers.

LOL - becasue it's all about speed, some think.....

That's just for offences that we consider well unjustified. Y'know, 105Km on the urban "motorway".

You dudes still not allowed to ambush patrons outside a pub carpark of an evening?

Hell yeah!!!

That thing went back to the days when the MOT marked the headlights of the cars parked in the pub carpark with crayon, so when they drove off, (usually with the lights on...), Mr MOT knew they came from the pub. That, they said, was "unfair..."

Pfffttt... The powers that be would rather have a pissed driver slam into their family than poor pissed driver lose their license in this way? That was unfair...? Go figure.

....Why do people on the one hand deplore drunk driving, yet criticise the Police for so-called entrapment?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't....

104 kph = more revenue

child abuse cases = NO revenue

go figure ..

Detectives (who do the child abuse investigations) who know what a ticket book looks like? = 0

People who think Detectives issue tickets = 4,129,567.... plus or minus a few hundy....

Go figure....

[Edbear]

The Traffic Crash Report has many stat gathering boxes that needs filling. Its all there, including, race, age, sex, weather and road conditions, lighting, advisories and speed limits, the list goes on....

Some of the things that cause crashes are never known, because one doesn't readily admit they fell asleep, were texting at the time etc... So it can be hard to guage an exact reason - but speed and physics is easy to detect and is hard to dispute...

There isn't a box though, for that fucking black dog that caused them to swerve to avoid, and then crash... That mutt gets around.....

...SNIP...
LOL - becasue it's all about speed, some think.....

..

While you're online, it would seem that many here believe you target speed above other issues, like driving badly/incompetently/dangerously/inconsiderately, etc. I asked how much the cops look at and pull people over for driving like muppets? I was of the opinion that the Police are on the road daily and drive more kilometers a year than just about anyone here and are very familiar with the general standard of driving in this country so must be at least as frustrated as we are with the incompetence of what appears to be the majority of road users!

[Varkp]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't....



Detectives (who do the child abuse investigations) who know what a ticket book looks like? = 0

People who think Detectives issue tickets = 4,129,567.... plus or minus a few hundy....

Go figure....

Hey Pratdick, how about this scenario

Lets just for a little test, next month everybody that gets a traffic fine, all pay it over to a charity or hospital of their choice and not to the government. Lets see if them traffic officers are still so eager to write said fines, as everybody with a functioning brain know, fines and drink drive limits it the last thing on this planet that are going to stop morons from doing just that. but the powers at be figure, why not make some money out of the fact that there is 4,129,565 potential revenue generating morons out there.

[Kickaha]

Lets see if them traffic officers are still so eager to write said fines

What difference would it make to the person writing the ticket where the money goes?

It's not as though they get a commission

[miloking]

What difference would it make to the person writing the ticket where the money goes?

It's not as though they get a commission

It would make huge difference...because all we hear is "its not at all about the revenue but your safety bla bla"...

Oh and its called salary...