Police saving our lives again

[Kickaha]

It would make huge difference...because all we hear is "its not at all about the revenue but your safety bla bla"...

Oh and its called salary...

They get payed regardless,the amount of tickets issued isn't related to salary so that's a pretty dumb argument, but from you I'd expect nothing less

The revenue argument was fucked the moment they reduced the fines a while back but the brain dead lemmings still wank on about it

[Rych]

Hey Pratdick, how about this scenario

Lets just for a little test, next month everybody that gets a traffic fine, all pay it over to a charity or hospital of their choice and not to the government. Lets see if them traffic officers are still so eager to write said fines, as everybody with a functioning brain know, fines and drink drive limits it the last thing on this planet that are going to stop morons from doing just that. but the powers at be figure, why not make some money out of the fact that there is 4,129,565 potential revenue generating morons out there.

lol it would make no difference, police don't have quota's, don't care where the money goes, don't see where it goes, doesn't effect the police officer in any way where it goes.. Get over this stupid rubbish that police actually care about the $$$, they never see it doesn't effect their income in any way what so ever.

Shyt argument tbh, sick of hearing that crap. If you don't break the law you don't get ticket, or if you don't get caught you don't get ticket, so don't break the law or don't get caught, or pay the ticket...

[scumdog]

It would make huge difference...because all we hear is "its not at all about the revenue but your safety bla bla"...

Oh and its called salary...

And guess the ones writting out the tickets are 'carrying' the detectives etc that never write out ticket???

Stroll on sunshine...

[Littleman]

I've always preffered cutting off digits as an alternative to fines.

The fucktards will be begging for the return of revenue gathering.

[Max Preload]

LSZ's lowered the road toll?

Well, they didn't do any worse than the 4km/h reduced tolerance did over Labour weekend.

[Brian d marge]

lol it would make no difference, police don't have quota's, don't care where the money goes, don't see where it goes, doesn't effect the police officer in any way where it goes.. Get over this stupid rubbish that police actually care about the $$$, they never see it doesn't effect their income in any way what so ever.

Shyt argument tbh, sick of hearing that crap. If you don't break the law you don't get ticket, or if you don't get caught you don't get ticket, so don't break the law or don't get caught, or pay the ticket...

Its a wonderful State owned enterprise , with the money going straight back to the general fund ,( or summink like that ) and the reasoning behind the 4k and other Rules , is poorly thought out , and simplistic

so the argument that if you don't break said law you wont get fined , while also true , is missing the point

Now if the monies collected were plowed back into teaching me to be a better driver , Fine plus driver ed for a week , and the road speed limit was proportional to the hazard , taking account of conditions and vehicle improvements ( u might find some places are faster than 100 , and others much slower than 50 kmph)

I would say the police /government weren't rorting the great unwashed

but as it stands at the moment its ( imho ) is a sneaky tax and a rather clever one ,

Stephen

[Rych]

Its a wonderful State owned enterprise , with the money going straight back to the general fund ,( or summink like that ) and the reasoning behind the 4k and other Rules , is poorly thought out , and simplistic

so the argument that if you don't break said law you wont get fined , while also true , is missing the point

Now if the monies collected were plowed back into teaching me to be a better driver , Fine plus driver ed for a week , and the road speed limit was proportional to the hazard , taking account of conditions and vehicle improvements ( u might find some places are faster than 100 , and others much slower than 50 kmph)

I would say the police /government weren't rorting the great unwashed

but as it stands at the moment its ( imho ) is a sneaky tax and a rather clever one ,

Stephen

Yea I don't disagree with this, but people are often bagging individual police officers who are just doing their job, they don't make the laws they enforce them. So if people have complaints about the police pinging them for something they disagree with it's not that individual police officers fault, he is following orders/laws that he is goverened by and swore the oath to enforce/protect.

Obviously there are times when the individual officer could have made a different/better judgement call when using his descretion, but in general they just enforcing what the bosses up top tell them too.

[Quasievil]

Speed Cameras are the biggest revenue con.
When these things came out they ran a advert with comments like "where will they be" with an Image showing the roadside crosses with another comment "they are already marked"
Now you can see clearly how they justified it and how NOW this is far from the reality, they usually plonk them in areas where people are most likely to fall into slightly higher speeds, i.e end of passing lanes, bottom of hills etc.

Interestingly the Ozzys are going to privatise the cameras, their contractors performance is based on revenues, not reduction in road fatalities, therefore clearly the government in Australia view it as a cash source and not a life saving, road toll reduction device, A mentality which is shared in this country also I believe.

As for individual cops ticketing for mild offenses, these people choose to do this job and are not forced to, so if you share attitude towards them on receiving a ticket for a mild ticket offence i.e 104 kmph (the other weekend) then good on you and you SHOULD as a NZr not accept this form of B.S.
Especially as the whole weekends campaign and justification for it i.e reduce the road toll on the back of speed kills was nothing but a fail.

With such a cash cow at their disposal and with no real solutions being implented for road toll reduction, I WILL assume that the governments line on reducing the road toll is not real but it is wordplay, while they milk the NZ road users for what they can get !!

[MSTRS:Me]

...If you don't break the law you don't get ticket...

There's an awful lot (of us) who would disagree.
There is a world of difference in 'breaking the law' and a cop saying you did. But at the same time, no difference at all.

[miloking]

There's an awful lot (of us) who would disagree.
There is a world of difference in 'breaking the law' and a cop saying you did. But at the same time, no difference at all.

Ohh but they are just doing their job to save your life, and getting ticket your didnt deserve doesnt happen often enough...if you got ticket you must have deserved it somehow, or must have been rude to the cop its not his fault realy...
...and stop your complaining the revenue collecting went out the window when they discounted the some of the minor fines the other day, and they dont get commision from general fund just salary for driving around and handing out tickets for 105km/h bla bla...

sick and fucking tired of police propaganda and their excuses!

[Jantar]

...
so the argument that if you don't break said law you wont get fined , while also true , is missing the point

......

I wish it were true. There are still too many instances of riders getting fined even when they aren't speeding. Although that situation has improved recently, it is still happening.

[Patrick]

While you're online, it would seem that many here believe you target speed above other issues, like driving badly/incompetently/dangerously/inconsiderately, etc. I asked how much the cops look at and pull people over for driving like muppets? I was of the opinion that the Police are on the road daily and drive more kilometers a year than just about anyone here and are very familiar with the general standard of driving in this country so must be at least as frustrated as we are with the incompetence of what appears to be the majority of road users!

Down here we video intersections for stop sign runners and red light runners, on hand held cameras. The speed is also looked at, but the videos are keeping the crew rather busy........

Yeah, we get out and about a lot, but the behaviours are markedly improved when there is a cop car in the

Hey Pratdick, how about this scenario

Whatever, tosser....

Kinda lost me with your intelligent opening line....

What difference would it make to the person writing the ticket where the money goes?

It's not as though they get a commission

Unlike places like the States - All monies from forfeited vehicles which are sold, go back to the department that seized it.

NZ Police get nothing.

It would make huge difference...because all we hear is "its not at all about the revenue but your safety bla bla"...

Oh and its called salary...

OK then....

They get payed regardless,the amount of tickets issued isn't related to salary so that's a pretty dumb argument, but from you I'd expect nothing less

The revenue argument was fucked the moment they reduced the fines a while back but the brain dead lemmings still wank on about it

Yup - got it in one.....

lol it would make no difference, police don't have quota's, don't care where the money goes, don't see where it goes, doesn't effect the police officer in any way where it goes.. Get over this stupid rubbish that police actually care about the $$$, they never see it doesn't effect their income in any way what so ever.

Shyt argument tbh, sick of hearing that crap. If you don't break the law you don't get ticket, or if you don't get caught you don't get ticket, so don't break the law or don't get caught, or pay the ticket...

Stupid people doing stupid things at stupid times and in stupid places.

, i.e end of passing lanes, bottom of hills etc.

NEVER seen one at the end of passing lanes. I think there is even a policy about this, about not putting them there....

Bottom of hills, perhaps. BUt if you can't see them at the bottom of hills, then somethings wrong with the eyesight....

Interestingly the Ozzys are going to privatise the cameras, their contractors performance is based on revenues, not reduction in road fatalities, therefore clearly the government in Australia view it as a cash source and not a life saving, road toll reduction device, A mentality which is shared in this country also I believe.

Has been "civillianised" but not privatised - no plans to do so either, AFAIK.

As for individual cops ticketing for mild offenses, these people choose to do this job and are not forced to, so if you share attitude towards them on receiving a ticket for a mild ticket offence i.e 104 kmph (the other weekend) then good on you and you SHOULD as a NZr not accept this form of B.S.
Especially as the whole weekends campaign and justification for it i.e reduce the road toll on the back of speed kills was nothing but a fail.

With such a cash cow at their disposal and with no real solutions being implented for road toll reduction, I WILL assume that the governments line on reducing the road toll is not real but it is wordplay, while they milk the NZ road users for what they can get !!

This cash cow you talk of, this 104 ticket... is a $30 ticket. How many of these got issued in the weekend? There were 3 at 110kmph in the Naki. Nothing for less......

... if you got ticket you must have deserved it somehow,

There you go... shortened it up for you.

[Patrick]

I wish it were true. There are still too many instances of riders getting fined even when they aren't speeding. Although that situation has improved recently, it is still happening.

Yeah - so they "claim...."

On board cameras would dry that "argument" right up.....

For both sides........

[MSTRS:Me]

On board cameras would dry that "argument" right up.....

In some cases, yes. But only if the camera is close to, and has direct sight of the 'speeding' vehicle, and is following said vehicle.

What about the "I heard your engine and you were speeding. Here's your ticket" scenario?

[Ocean1]

I wish it were true. There are still too many instances of riders getting fined even when they aren't speeding. Although that situation has improved recently, it is still happening.

Aye, and the damage it does is no less than the transformation of rule of law into anarchy.

Think I’m exaggerating? How’s the crimes of violence involving police trend looking?

A few bad apple examples publicised, a simple public statements of regret would damn near cover it. Haven’t seen one, but then I haven’t been looking.