Police crackdown

[mashman]

I'd be happier just knowing the breakdown of the actual costs of motorcycle crashes attributable in part and full (individually) to those motorcyclists. I mean, that's the absolute minimum standard of information required to make the excessive ACC levy argument even begin stack up. But it just doesn't appear to exist.

I think there's a few who'd like access to that information. Either way it's not the way ACC should or could be run. Bloody shame really innit.

[BoristheBiter]

That makes sense on the surface. But knowing bikes to be less forgiving in 'certain situations' I'd say the reality is we are more likely to crash than any individual car. I have no idea what that figure is, but I wouldn't believe anything ACC or The Prick says....

going off what the stats from the ltsa i think it was;

.5% of the cars will have an injury crash each year, (bad math day)
13% of the bikes will have and injury crash each year.

Where it all falls down is the area of passengers,
The stats say 2 pillions died and 78 people died as a passenger of a car,
So they should ban passengers in cars because they are more likely to die than a biker.

[scumdog]

going off what the stats from the ltsa i think it was;

10% of the cars will have an injury crash each year,
13% of the bikes will have and injury crash each year.

Where it all falls down is the area of passengers,
The stats say 2 pillions died and 78 people died as a passenger of a car,
So they should ban passengers in cars because they are more likely to die than a biker.

Yup.

Maximum (non-ACC paying) 'passengers' a motocycle can carry and injure/kill? - ONE

Maximum/average of (non-ACC levy paying) passengers car can carry? - FOUR.


And that's not counting the pedestrians etc that said car could plough into.

[BoristheBiter]

I think there's a few who'd like access to that information. Either way it's not the way ACC should or could be run. Bloody shame really innit.

its all about ease of collection. imagine if they found a way to tax off road bikes and cycles.

[BoristheBiter]

Yup.

Maximum (non-ACC paying) 'passengers' a motocycle can carry and injure/kill? - ONE

Maximum/average of (non-ACC levy paying) passengers car can carry? - FOUR.


And that's not counting the pedestrians etc that said car could plough into.

38 pedestrians died last year so tax them aswell.

[riffer]

Yup.

Maximum (non-ACC paying) 'passengers' a motocycle can carry and injure/kill? - ONE

Maximum/average of (non-ACC levy paying) passengers car can carry? - FOUR.


And that's not counting the pedestrians etc that said car could plough into.

And don't forget what happens when a van full of people hits another van full of people. Especially as people in vans tend not to wear seat belts. Mass potential there.

[mashman]

going off what the stats from the ltsa i think it was;

10% of the cars will have an injury crash each year,
13% of the bikes will have and injury crash each year.

So out of 100,000 bikes there would be 1300+ injuries. Sounds about right according to the numbers. Out of, say 2 million cars, that's a minimum 200,000 injuries. There were under 15,000 reported injuries. That's a large difference.

its all about ease of collection. imagine if they found a way to tax off road bikes and cycles.

yeah, cheaper levies for all... apart from those who drive, ride, ride, skate, walk, crawl, breathe... Not to mention the "profiling" system that's being put in place to distinguish risky car drivers from non-risky ones

[BoristheBiter]

So out of 100,000 bikes there would be 1300+ injuries. Sounds about right according to the numbers. Out of, say 2 million cars, that's a minimum 200,000 injuries. There were under 15,000 reported injuries. That's a large difference.

I cant find what i was looking at yesterday but the main problem is all light motor vehicles are put into one category so you have to put all there crashes in as well.
Just found it and it should have been .5% for cars and there is close to 3m light vehicles registered.

yeah, cheaper levies for all... apart from those who drive, ride, ride, skate, walk, crawl, breathe... Not to mention the "profiling" system that's being put in place to distinguish risky car drivers from non-risky ones

Shouldn't post these things it will give them new policy.

[BoristheBiter]

the biggest problem i see with all the stats is what the vehicle is used for.
Out of all the vehicles my family have four are for fun, the rest are for work or the like so are driven completely differently to say my company cage which has spent more time in a traffic jam than moving forward and the truck which can't go over 80.

[mashman]

It's in the post (mail).

I cant find what i was looking at yesterday but the main problem is all light motor vehicles are put into one category so you have to put all there crashes in as well.
Just found it and it should have been .5% for cars and there is close to 3m light vehicles registered.

Page 11 Table item: "A. Expected number of full-year equivalent vehicles" same document

Current - 3,143,539
Proposed - 3,181,731

Shouldn't post these things it will give them new policy.

Page 7 "Our plans for the Motor Vehicle Account"

• introducing a ‘distance-based’ levy for diesel-driven vehicles
• using driver and vehicle characteristics to tailor levy rates
• introducing a fleet safety levy discount programme.

Sounds like "current" policy to me

[HDTboy]

I just want to see cops pulling over a bunch of Riders For Christ. Then they can educate each other, while everyone else goes about their lives without interruptions from those with an evangelic bent.

[StoneY]

Aren't they actually saying you're 16x to 20x (depending on who is repeating it) "more likely to be in a crash"? Not injured?

Thats what i keep hearing, and thats the one that pisses me off as it is utter rubbish

Again, we are more likely to be SERIOUSLY INJURED is the correct wording to meet the true statistically proven facts

Less likely to be in a collision crash than a car/van/truck/bicycle is the true fact, in regards less or more likely to HAVE a crash well thats debatable, there are a lot of bike crashes that dont get reported apparently.......

[doko]

I got caught this weekend for wrong class of license... 14 days to obtain right class or $400 fine.

[MSTRS:Me]

I got caught this weekend for wrong class of license... 14 days to obtain right class or $400 fine.

Specifics?

[Scuba_Steve]

in regards less or more likely to HAVE a crash well thats debatable, there are a lot of bike crashes that dont get reported apparently.......

I can't find the study now, I think it might have actually been in the AA mag or one run by them? not sure. But it showed in a car "bikers" (proper ones with engines) were the best drivers of anyone (general rule obviously) able to spot & avoid more hazards while maintaining greater control of the vehicle & less likely to panic. Also as this study was just about safety nothing about "speed" was not included so the "bikers" didn't lose points for failing to submit to propaganda (you know the thing that usually classes us as "unsafe").

Oh also the safest age group was mid-aged with 34 being the middle "safest"