ACC protest movement dead?

[Berries]

I say fuck too often.

It is just that kind of behaviour that gives motorcyclists a bad name.

[Fatt Max]

I only ever hear the word 'fuck' in this context..

$20 for a hand job, $100 for a full.......

[pc220]

I only ever hear the word 'fuck' in this context..

$20 for a hand job, $100 for a full.......

Mate hate to see what you getting for that sort of $$$. Fork out a bit more and get some ass with class.

[idleidolidyll]

Probably right Mike, try as we might have a number of times, the end result was, the support was just never really there. My stance on 'organised kaos' has change in recent months. I now have no problem with it at all. Going peacefully does nothing but appease the authorities. 40-50,000 people marched up Queens St earlier in the year on the very same day we did our last protest ride, we had 100 bikes, we had to wait till the greenies had done thier bit and tag on behind them. I have learned alot about protesting and getting results from watching footage of how it was done in years gone by.
I am now off to find short-circuit.

I said from the start that only news media coverage of lots of angry bikers would work and organised Chaos is the way to achieve that.
Yes, I DO have a degree in it: Communication majoring in PR

The government played us for suckers and as I predicted back then, people are now saying "oh well, at least they didn't hit us with as much as they said they would"

That was always their plan: divide and conquer, make outrageous claims of tripling the bill so we'd be 'happy' with doubling the bill.

and now as I also predicted and even stood up in that meeting at the waterfront in Auckland and said: they are privatising ACC. Which Aussie insurance company will own another slice of NZ's economy?

I really hope MAG eventually becomes what it is in the UK becuase that is what is needed in NZ, not pussying about with laughable rides.

[idleidolidyll]

For the record, and so there is no confusion about what MAG-NZ are about. We are sticking to what we have been all along. We will not deliberately set out to cause mayhem, or inconvience people. We will however organise and encourage people to attend events that due to their nature may cause some disruption for Joe Public. We acknowledge that sometimes our actions will cause inconvienience but we do not set out to deliberately cause it.

Hope that is clear to everyone.

I see, so you're not actually a real MAG like in the UK; you're kinda a Claytons MAG

[caseye]

In reply Ideli , good things take time and here in NZ it takes longer for people to get MAD enough.
It's going to become the MAG-UK of the Pacific don't worry about that, just not tomorrow.
Your predictions were on the money, your current comments while mildly offensive are quite true and therefore as far as I am concerned anyway they will be taken in the context they were spoken.
I've ridden with you many times, I consider you to be direct and to the point, capable and intelligent, please don't write off what may well be the only group who will orgainse events/rides that are in fact gathering more and more people together as things heat up.
MAG-NZ is not going away that is for sure, I'd rather we had your attention, your input and where appropriate support than that we also had to fight a war of words with you too.

[Maha]

I said from the start that only news media coverage of lots of angry bikers would work and organised Chaos is the way to achieve that.
Yes, I DO have a degree in it: Communication majoring in PR

The government played us for suckers and as I predicted back then, people are now saying "oh well, at least they didn't hit us with as much as they said they would"

That was always their plan: divide and conquer, make outrageous claims of tripling the bill so we'd be 'happy' with doubling the bill.

and now as I also predicted and even stood up in that meeting at the waterfront in Auckland and said: they are privatising ACC. Which Aussie insurance company will own another slice of NZ's economy?

I really hope MAG eventually becomes what it is in the UK becuase that is what is needed in NZ, not pussying about with laughable rides.

Cant and wont argue with that either Mike.

[NONONO]

I really hope MAG eventually becomes what it is in the UK becuase that is what is needed in NZ,
It only took them 36 years.........MAG-NZ has been around, what? 3 months?

[Mom]

[B] [MAG-NZ has been around, what? 3 months?

Good things take time

[BoristheBiter]

and now as I also predicted and even stood up in that meeting at the waterfront in Auckland and said: they are privatising ACC. Which Aussie insurance company will own another slice of NZ's economy?

Is.

They are not privatising ACC, they are opening it up to competition, a big difference and it is only the work place.

All i can say is well about time . All you people sit here and cry that the ACC levies are too high and then cry when they try and do something about it.

If you don't want to go with another insurer than stay with ACC, no one will be forcing you to change.

And are you with the kiwibank??

[riffer]

They are not privatising ACC, they are opening it up to competition, a big difference and it is only the work place.

All i can say is well about time . All you people sit here and cry that the ACC levies are too high and then cry when they try and do something about it.

If you don't want to go with another insurer than stay with ACC, no one will be forcing you to change.

And are you with the kiwibank??

Firstly, there's a vast difference between Kiwibank and the other banks. You would be better off comparing the difference between the old Post Office Savings Bank and the Aussie banks.

Secondly, my issue is with the biggest money earning part of ACC being opened up to competition - a lot of ACC money at present is invested in NZ business and this will be ripped out of the economy.

Thirdly - insurance companies don't have rehabilitation to consider. Only insurance. Therefore the original concept of ACC can be further whittled away with this.

If the biggest money earner goes away from ACC watch the levies go up even further.

Would you like to pay $1000 a year to rego your bike? It could happen, along with paying $3000 a year for workplace insurance, with nowhere near the same benefits either...

and what's the likelihood the right to sue would return? None.

Wake up and smell the coffee mate. This is not an case where "Everyone Gets a Bargain".

[BoristheBiter]

Firstly, there's a vast difference between Kiwibank and the other banks. You would be better off comparing the difference between the old Post Office Savings Bank and the Aussie banks.

Secondly, my issue is with the biggest money earning part of ACC being opened up to competition - a lot of ACC money at present is invested in NZ business and this will be ripped out of the economy.

Thirdly - insurance companies don't have rehabilitation to consider. Only insurance. Therefore the original concept of ACC can be further whittled away with this.

If the biggest money earner goes away from ACC watch the levies go up even further.

Would you like to pay $1000 a year to rego your bike? It could happen, along with paying $3000 a year for workplace insurance, with nowhere near the same benefits either...

and what's the likelihood the right to sue would return? None.

Wake up and smell the coffee mate. This is not an case where "Everyone Gets a Bargain".

Cry me a river.

Like i said if you don't like it stay with ACC no one will be forcing you to change.

FYI when we were able to go with @work for our work place We paid around $3k less each year and when one of our staff had an accident they couldn't do enough to help, paid 90% of his wages and followed up each week, ACC on the other hand pays you only 80%, just wants to stop paying you and never returns phone calls when they fuck up.

[James Deuce]

Cry me a river.

Like i said if you don't like it stay with ACC no one will be forcing you to change.

FYI when we were able to go with @work for our work place We paid around $3k less each year and when one of our staff had an accident they couldn't do enough to help, paid 90% of his wages and followed up each week, ACC on the other hand pays you only 80%, just wants to stop paying you and never returns phone calls when they fuck up.

Ahh yes another one who believes that the capitalist model can only produce golden examples of how to look after people. Place where I worked back during the last privatisation attempt , our Aussie based ACC replacement went bust. One of the women at work received multiple fractures of one of her legs in an international sporting event and simply lost her income and had to come into work. We had to to lift her on to the loo amongst other things. I think 80% from ACC is a much better deal than nothing.

I have no faith in profit driven income protection insurance schemes, particularly when you look at how many Aussie insurance companies went broke trying to compete with ACC last time. When those companies go broke people suffer, but I guess that isn't important when you save a buck here and there.

[Owl]

Good things take time

Say "Cheese"

[Scuba_Steve]

They are not privatising ACC, they are opening it up to competition, a big difference and it is only the work place.

All i can say is well about time . All you people sit here and cry that the ACC levies are too high and then cry when they try and do something about it.

Wow you are blinded "opening it up to competition" is 1st step towards privatization. I didn't think anyone ever fell for "management" speak, guess I was wrong.

And people we're complaining about the hike for this exact reason, it was unjustified, unneeded & only reason it was done was to have a profit margin worth private insurers time.