GOOD ROADS, NUTHIN 2 RIDE
[QUOTE=fossil;1129943276]Originally Posted by Tricia1000
Currently there is no difference between the skill of a moped rider and a 6L, neither is tested on road craft. If any serious changes are to be made then no rider should be on the road untill they are at the level of a competent 6R.
The L phase should be under professional supervision not winging it with the right of passage being, "well I survived".
"Your talent determines what you can do. Your motivation determines how much you are willing to do. Your attitude determines how well you do it."
-Lou Holtz
The instructions are simple...
Yes there is.
As much of a joke as it is, a 6L must be preceded by a Basic Handling course.
A 1L doesn't require a road test first, but at least it does require a 6F to accompany.
A 1L on a moped is just let loose...and we all know that car 'road skills' do not translate to two wheels
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Bogeyman
Consider: the purpose of the document is to demonstrate to the very loud and demanding unwashed that "yes, we are doing something about the problem".
As such it's part of the proven political routine: identify a change you wish to make, create a problem by rarking up the press/lobby groups, collect/fabricate data to support the action you wish to take, publish "discussion documents" so you can tick off the consultation requirements, create legislation that enacts the changes.
Any attempt at interpretation of any of the middle steps as anything in any way meaningful merely serves to identify someone who doesn't actually know he's being shafted.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Nana on a Hotrod
theres 2/3rds of NZ
'Good things come to those who wait'
Bollocks, get of your arse and go get it
Forum whore
[QUOTE=James Deuce;1129943099]
Despite having road accidents at or under 100km/hr I've broken my neck and back in 4 places, my head, ruptured an ear drum, broken a wrist, broken 10 ribs, damaged my liver and a kidney and ruined an ankle. QUOTE]
Geez mate that's not a good record. How much of that was due to you out riding yourself or the conditions or just doing stupid shit?
Forum whore
As I said all of them were at or less than the speed limit minding my own business. Drink Driver, Truck Driver and Sheep.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
GOOD ROADS, NUTHIN 2 RIDE
A 1L on a moped doesn't even have car road skills to try and translate to two.
The difference maybe the power to weight ratio between a legal moped and the current CC only limit for a 6L.
"Your talent determines what you can do. Your motivation determines how much you are willing to do. Your attitude determines how well you do it."
-Lou Holtz
Forum whore
Damn that's bad luck.Makes me feel real lucky that over the last 25 years I've only had 1 minor injury riding on the road. Had a few more from off road/ motoX but only one major injury to my ankle.
Forum whore
That's not bad luck, that tends to point to me being a little less skilled than I need to be.Damn that's bad luck.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Rider in training
They have proposed the removal of the 70km/h restriction. It just isn't in that particular document.
I guess my view is not as pessimistic as yours - or you perhaps you might regard me as already brainwashed - because I do regard there as being room to improve, and don't think that a problem has been manufactured.
A large chunk of accidents and fatalities occur in young drivers who have had their full licence less than 2 years. I do regard that as a problem. Something that can be improved. Doing nothing while watching others get hurt and killed is not acceptable.
If everyone adopted your view than I guess you'd have to say that this correctable issue should be left as is, and accept the continual death of these road users as acceptable.
Bogeyman
*Shrugs* If you think it’s a problem then you’ll be disappointed with the document in question because nothing in there is going to fix it. Two things that would improve the learner attrition situation: First, dismantle the various compliance barriers to the building of motorsport venues. Don’t just give ‘em money for a “skid pad”, but supply minimal funding to allow people to build tracks capable of generating self-sustaining revenue. All sorts of tracks. Hand out training accreditation to the ones that can establish and maintain competent learning facilities. Get the polytechs involved perhaps. Tie unit standards of riding skills to licence provisions and don’t give ‘em licences until they’ve proved they can ride.
You misunderstand me. Beyond the above I don't believe the issue is correctable. Certainly not short of far more significant changes than those being considered currently.
The ongoing clamour from the general public to "fix it" is based on the misapprehension that there's a serious problem. I'm an old fucker, I've seen the injuries and fatalities per mile travelled plummet over the years. In fact the overall fatalities p/a have dropped in spite of ballooning traffic density and travel times. Significant improvements have, without exception corresponded with the introduction of engineering solutions. I've never seen policy or enforcement changes have any effect whatsoever. Ever. So, given these historical improvements, is there a problem? Depends on how many injuries per mile travelled you consider OK.
As for acceptable… if you assume that, given the likely budget there’s little improvement likely then you don’t really have much choice but to accept it, do you?
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Loud and Uncouth
IMHO: Most Kiwis appear to think the present injuries/deaths per mile are OK - or even too low when you consider their driving style and attitude.
And to measure the effect or lack off effect of a policy or enforecement change you would have to halt it for at least five years and try and notice any difference...and hopefully nothing else that could influence the result comes into play during that time.
As an aside: In NZ we're pretty good at killing ourselves despite car manufacturers making the safer - I wonder what it would be like at present if everybody drove around in FC Holdens and Ford Prefects instead of what we have at present???
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The instructions are simple...
They'd have to drop the open road limit - to make it achieveable...- I wonder what it would be like at present if everybody drove around in FC Holdens and Ford Prefects instead of what we have at present???
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Bogeyman
Significant improvement, I said. If you look you can see the numbers drop in proportion to the national fleets uptake of vehicles with seat belts, air bags, side impact beams, abs, etc. Real differences. Can you point to a specific policy or enforcement change that resulted in those sort of dramatic improvements?
Compared to who? I thought our numbers were pretty much on par with every other comparable country.
I wonder what it would be like at present if everybody drove around in FC Holdens and Ford Prefects instead of what we have at present???
Far worse than it was when those wagons were current. We’re spending far more time on the road and there’s far more shit to hit.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Geriatric hoon
British Police say that research shows that a driver who has been at fault in a given type of accident is statistically more likely to have a similar accident in the near future. The reason being that they all consider themselves good drivers and make no attempt to improve their skills or knowledge and just continue with their bad habits.
I think it was a recent BIKE contained the comment that, unlike car drivers, most bike riders try to improve their skills. There is evidence of that in many KB threads. Not all of the skills may be socially acceptable, and there are the exceptions who appear to be striving to attain a higher level of incomprehension.
On balance though I think the comment is valid and that is one of the main differences between car drivers and bike riders.
Of course politicians wouldn't be interested in any of that because they are all good drivers.
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