Excuses Excuses Excuses Blame Blame Blame

**DougieNZ** · 24th January 2011, 07:19

Hi

I am not even going to look at the latest thread re the campaign Gareth Morgan is involved with.

I'm sure it is filled with "what can this rich prick tell us" type statements.

To be honest i am getting a wee bit tired of the vast majority of posts on here looking to blame everyone and everything else but us motorcyclists for things that are going wrong.

Accidents - It's the road conditions. It's the weather. Its the car drivers fault. Its the ACC levies. Its the stupid laws.

Tickets - It's the police arrogance. It's revenue gathering. I'm being picked on. What about the car driver? On the other hand it is OK for us to break the law and run from the police because we are motorcyclists? I should be able to ride at whatever speed I like and not pay rego and not expect some consequences?

I am not perfect by any means. I have broken the law and been tickted. I have had accidents on my bike. Every one of these things have been avoidable. And by one person - ME! I could have blamed a miriad of things for my accidents. Wet/slippery roads - I pranged in to the back of a car stopped on the outside lane on the motorway once around a corner. But at the end of the day if I had have been looking ahead I would have avoided that accident. Easy to blame other things and harder to look at oneself.

With the attitude of some on there towards the police and the law it is no wonder the police are looking out for us..

The facts are a lot of our brothers and sisters in the motorcycling community are being killed out there and I think it is high time that we start to look at OURSELVES and truly analyse what we can do to keep ourselves safe. I have been riding for 30 years and will be taking advantage of some training this year. Whether I pay for it myself or the Govt subsidises it. It is never too late to learn or change.

It is time to stop blaming everyone else and start taking some responsibility for our behaviour and actions. Until the attitude towards safety and obeying the law changes these horrendous accidents will continue.

Let the flames begin. Yes I understand that there are meny on here that don't agree.

No I am not a police officer nor are any of my family.
No I am not related to Nick Smith.
Yes I did attend the ACC rally in Wgtn.

All I am saying is lets look within rather than playimng the blame game. Changes there will dramatically improve the accident rate.

**p.dath** · 24th January 2011, 07:32

I agree. Don't look to others to solve your problem before you've looked at yourself.

**PrincessBandit** · 24th January 2011, 07:42

Shake hands with katman. He's been saying this for years, copped heaps of shit for it (well, he can be rather blunt) but keeps saying it anyway. I think more and more riders are realising there is truth in the message, unpalatable though it may be.

**xgnr** · 24th January 2011, 07:45

Well said that man

**sinfull** · 24th January 2011, 07:47

Here here !!!

**Grubber** · 24th January 2011, 07:48

About bloody time. I, like you, have had enough of all the crying about police and laws etc. When i ride, it's me who is in control of my bike. If i get a ticket for speeding then it's me who is at fault. If i fall and i'm the only one there, then it's my fault. I live with that and i'm happy to do so. I have had 3 speeding tickets in 30 years and a couple of accidents. ! was my fault (too quick) and the other was the cow's.
So all in all i'm happy as with the way things are going for me. If i stack it then i pay for it. Pretty simple really.
Mind you, i don't ride the pants of my bike out on the open road (too many obstacles for me) but i do at the track.

Now wait for the backlash of the tyrants who think the road is theirs to do as they wish.

**White trash** · 24th January 2011, 07:50

You know it's against site rules to have more than one log-in Katman?

**Banditbandit** · 24th January 2011, 08:24

Originally Posted by Grubber

Now wait for the backlash of the tyrants who think the road is theirs to do as they wish.

Tyrants ???? It's us freedom-loving bikers who think the road is ours to do as we wish (read "playground" ...)

**Banditbandit** · 24th January 2011, 08:27

Originally Posted by DougieNZ

Hi

I am not even going to look at the latest thread re the campaign Gareth Morgan is involved with.

I'm sure it is filled with "what can this rich prick tell us" type statements.

To be honest i am getting a wee bit tired of the vast majority of posts on here looking to blame everyone and everything else but us motorcyclists for things that are going wrong.

Accidents - It's the road conditions. It's the weather. Its the car drivers fault. Its the ACC levies. Its the stupid laws.

Tickets - It's the police arrogance. It's revenue gathering. I'm being picked on. What about the car driver? On the other hand it is OK for us to break the law and run from the police because we are motorcyclists? I should be able to ride at whatever speed I like and not pay rego and not expect some consequences?

I am not perfect by any means. I have broken the law and been tickted. I have had accidents on my bike. Every one of these things have been avoidable. And by one person - ME! I could have blamed a miriad of things for my accidents. Wet/slippery roads - I pranged in to the back of a car stopped on the outside lane on the motorway once around a corner. But at the end of the day if I had have been looking ahead I would have avoided that accident. Easy to blame other things and harder to look at oneself.

With the attitude of some on there towards the police and the law it is no wonder the police are looking out for us..

The facts are a lot of our brothers and sisters in the motorcycling community are being killed out there and I think it is high time that we start to look at OURSELVES and truly analyse what we can do to keep ourselves safe. I have been riding for 30 years and will be taking advantage of some training this year. Whether I pay for it myself or the Govt subsidises it. It is never too late to learn or change.

It is time to stop blaming everyone else and start taking some responsibility for our behaviour and actions. Until the attitude towards safety and obeying the law changes these horrendous accidents will continue.

Let the flames begin. Yes I understand that there are meny on here that don't agree.

No I am not a police officer nor are any of my family.
No I am not related to Nick Smith.
Yes I did attend the ACC rally in Wgtn.

All I am saying is lets look within rather than playimng the blame game. Changes there will dramatically improve the accident rate.

Hang about ... I don't get it ... first you say riders need to be more responsible .. then you admit that you speed and have accidents ...

So you are saying "do as I want you all too .. not as I do ...???"

**Katman** · 24th January 2011, 08:36

Mrs Marsh was right - it really does get in.

**red mermaid** · 24th January 2011, 08:42

You mean talk less about your rights and more about your responsibilities?

Have to agree with you.

The rules are well known, if you break them and get caught that is your problem.

**Pussy** · 24th January 2011, 08:45

You won't get flaming from me, Dougie.
Great post!

**Grubber** · 24th January 2011, 08:50

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Tyrants ???? It's us freedom-loving bikers who think the road is ours to do as we wish (read "playground" ...)

For the ones causing the problems it may well be. It's not the answer though!

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Hang about ... I don't get it ... first you say riders need to be more responsible .. then you admit that you speed and have accidents ...

So you are saying "do as I want you all too .. not as I do ...???"

I think you know what he means. There are some out there that do 150k and moan like shit when they get caught and also crash and blame others, then there is the ones that restrict there speed to a safer margin to remain alive and avoid tickets.
Thought it was pretty obvious really.

**Usarka** · 24th January 2011, 08:58

Originally Posted by DougieNZ

Hi

I am not even going to look at the latest thread re the campaign Gareth Morgan is involved with.

I'm sure it is filled with "what can this rich prick tell us" type statements.

To be honest i am getting a wee bit tired of the vast majority of posts on here looking to blame everyone and everything else but us motorcyclists for things that are going wrong.

Cool I've done you the same disservice and stopped reading your post there but I'm sick of the everyone saying the majority of us blame everything else.

From my observation anyone who says the majority of crashes aren't our fault are usually pulled up on it pretty quick. They are the fringe extremist lunatics, and they exist on both ends of the spectrum just like in every other aspect of life.