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**archie-no2** · 24th January 2011, 15:58

my motorbike is red, hope this bit of info helps...

Accidents dont just happen, they are caused... hope that also helps

**Hitcher** · 24th January 2011, 16:01

Originally Posted by White trash

Happy to train ya how to wheelie that GSX Brett. A mere eighty bucks an hour.

You know where I am.

Good grief, that's right. It's not a shaftie! w00t!

**Banditbandit** · 24th January 2011, 16:19

Originally Posted by Grubber

Big difference between preaching and passing on experience that i learn from. Anyone can do whatever they want, my point is that the more that speed (as in 150k plus ) and try, i repeat try to corner like rossi the more that will crash and burn at some time or another. If your not one of those then my comments are obviously not directed at you. If you are one that over steps the boundaries of safe riding then suck it up i say. your the one adding to my ACC bill.!
If you haven't figured it out yet, my speeding involves 2 tickets. 1 for 112kph and 1 for 108kph. I got these in an area were i was in a busy traffic area. When i speed any faster than that it is done in the back blocks away from traffic and on the track, safely.
But hey,,,,you read into all that what ya want...cause i know your going to. Otherwise you may be seen as being sencible..

I'll admit it .. I frequently exceed 200 klicks on the open road ... I got a speeding ticket last week (eight days ago) for 120 klicks ... (I was going faster than that .. )

I haven't had a crash since 1999 .. when some turkey went thru' a give way sign and I hit them ... (They were prosecuted) ...

Many here would regard me as crazy and dangerous ... as yes, I'm thinking I need to slow down because I now have more than 50 demerit poits, so one high speed ticket (between 135 and 140 klicks) could cost me my licence (again) ... and I'm too old for that shit ... But I'm NOT considering slowing down because I think I'm too dangerous ...

**DougieNZ** · 24th January 2011, 16:37

Just a couple of replys..

Who am I to "preach" when I have had speeding tickets?

Yeah - decent point. I'm just another biker I guess with no more right to an opinion as anyone else. All I am saying is - take responsibility for your actions. Don';'t skite one mimute about doing 150-200 on the open road and then whinge when you lose your licence or get pinged by the police (that's if you live to do so). Man/Woman up and take responsibility. STOP when the police signal you to raher than putting innocent lives at risk and encouraging others to do so (anthor pet hate of mine on here).

Another post said "hey what about the 49% of crashes cause by other people". Well you can manipulate figures any way you want - but even they are true - what about the 51% caused by US!

My prang on the Hutt Motorway was a classic. I came around a corner having just overtaken a vehicle to come accross a line of cars stopped in the overtaling (RH) lane. For a long time I siad to people "there was nothing I could do". Time has made me realise there actually was. If I had have been looking ahead through the corner I may/could have avoided slamming in to that car. Luckily I lived to (eventually) learn my lesson.

Now for the other myth - "speed doesn't kill".

OF COURSE IT DOES!

Speed lowers reaction time and removes control over an outcome. In the same given situation lower speed can make a hell of a difference to the outcome in many cases and crashes. This can and has been proven many times - sadly too late in many instances. Ostrich stuff!

**SPman** · 24th January 2011, 16:55

Those that blame are the last to learn.

There's a lame in every blame.

Even if you blame yourself ?

I know the exact reasons for all my bins (6 over 40 yrs)- except one - and the amount of thinking about that one, trying to figure out exactly what went pear shaped, has given me more insight into riding dynamics than all the rest put together...blame on that one was "creative", for insurance purposes......

Whinge about tickets - because a law is in place doesn't mean it is a good, sensible, just or correctly applied law. Laws are not absolutes, to be applied pedantically in absolute black and whites, just as life is not in black and white. The fanatical trend towards application to the letter or number of the law is one of the reasons that respect in the law is decreasing, and laws that are disrespected continually in a society, means that something is rotten in the state of legislation........

**martybabe** · 24th January 2011, 17:12

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Actually - belay that. I don't feel safe. I feel in control. Of me.

Ditto and well put, Odd phrase Mr Kat,I'm sure the type of rider you frequently disparage in these pages 'feel safe' when riding.

**DEATH_INC.** · 24th January 2011, 17:28

Originally Posted by DougieNZ

Now for the other myth - "speed doesn't kill".

OF COURSE IT DOES!

Well.....of course that is correct. Though that's not what I said. It is hard to die from an accident if you are sitting still, though it does still happen.
Remember though, 150k is perfectly safe at times. 80k is not all the time. nor is 50 or even 30. 100k is NOT a magical number that will keep you safe. Nor is 50.

**Berries** · 24th January 2011, 20:15

Originally Posted by DougieNZ

Don';'t skite one mimute about doing 150-200 on the open road and then whinge when you lose your licence or get pinged by the police (that's if you live to do so).

Of course, because we all know you evaporate at those speeds.

**Old Steve** · 24th January 2011, 21:29

Do I feel safe when on my bike? Apart from when I'm sitting on her in the garage going, "Brmmm, brmmm, brmmm", NO!

I always feel slightly nervous. I'm always scanning looking out for things like potholes, tar weeps, white paint if it's wet, shingle, if that upcoming corner is safe at this speed, cars which might pull out of a side street or a parking space, cars which might turn across my path, pedestrians who might step out. When I'm on my bike I'm as aware as I can be.

I had a good case of my being aware saving me from an accident just the other day. I was coming up to a roundabout, indicating to turn left at the first exit. Little old lady approaching from the right, left indicator on. She sailed straight through the roundabout, she would have taken me out if I'd assumed she was turning left and I'd entered the roundabout. But I hadn't looked away from her and entered the roundabout, I'd kept watching her, had thought, "She's going too fast to be turning left," and stopped and let her go through.

Now if I'd entered the roundabout she'd have planted her grill on my right hand side. Some would say she caused the accident, but it would really have been my fault for not being aware of what was happening.

I pulled up beside her at the next lights, lifted my visor and told her gently that she shouldn't indicate left if she was going straight through a roundabout. She looked shocked and said she always did because she had to go slightly left when she entered the roundabout. Dear old thing.

**Usarka** · 24th January 2011, 21:35

Originally Posted by DougieNZ

Now for the other myth - "speed doesn't kill".

OF COURSE IT DOES!

Speed lowers reaction time and removes control over an outcome. In the same given situation lower speed can make a hell of a difference to the outcome in many cases and crashes. This can and has been proven many times - sadly too late in many instances. Ostrich stuff!

Sit at home on a fucking cushion then.

In this whole speed kils brainwashing, no one has ever told us the magic number at which you won't die.

If we all diligently do 100kph, and still have 300 people die per annum, what then...? 90 and 40kph? 70 and 30kph?

So if speed does kill please tell me what is the magic speed I can go without dying?

**Ocean1** · 24th January 2011, 21:52

Originally Posted by Usarka

So if speed does kill please tell me what is the magic speed I can go without dying?

I've been researching.

On the nation's most dangerous road, no less.

It's somewhere between 1 and 122clicks, on account of I'm not dead.

I'll try a few more numbers tomorrow but, y'know if it's any higher than 275clicks odd I'm guna run out of puff.

**Big Dave** · 24th January 2011, 21:56

Originally Posted by Usarka

please tell me what is the magic speed I can go without dying?

42

**Littleman** · 24th January 2011, 22:00

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

I'll admit it .. I frequently exceed 200 klicks on the open road ... I got a speeding ticket last week (eight days ago) for 120 klicks ... (I was going faster than that .. )

I haven't had a crash since 1999 .. when some turkey went thru' a give way sign and I hit them ... (They were prosecuted) ...

Many here would regard me as crazy and dangerous ... as yes, I'm thinking I need to slow down because I now have more than 50 demerit poits, so one high speed ticket (between 135 and 140 klicks) could cost me my licence (again) ... and I'm too old for that shit ... But I'm NOT considering slowing down because I think I'm too dangerous ...

This thread isn't about you.