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[riffer]

I highly doubt there is really any regular member on Kiwibiker that is an example of the bad road behavior and racing attitude that you highlight. The fact of the matter is that people doing this 'racing' and painting us with this image are not going to be the ones talking about it all day on KB. Therefore I believe that if you want to combat this problem, doing something like the above suggestion would be a far more effective solution than whinging about it on here as you need to reach the message to all those who are the real ones you are meaning to target. These are the people who are not part of the community and will never set foot in this place, consequently never being educated as how to get time on the track. I believe it is suppression of this experience that is the major root of your problem having known and ridden with such road users.

I for one would be a major supporter.

Dude your words don't quite gel with your bike description and your Schwantz quote... most riders have the capacity to be just the idiots you describe at some time. Its just dumb luck usually that gets them away with it.

[racefactory]

And other people don't have such bikes and don't like such quotes?

I give you my word you will not catch me riding like a fuck in a built up public area as a threat to others.

[Scuba_Steve]

I like Taco's!!

[Eyegasm]

TIme for the silly hats thread ...

Woohoo SILLY HATS

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[Ronin]

I like Taco's!!

Mmmmmm moist Taco

[riffer]

And other people don't have such bikes and don't like such quotes?

I give you my word you will not catch me riding like a fuck in a built up public area as a threat to others.

Maybe. But what about on the open road? You do have a fire-breathing Duc 996...

[R-Soul]

I'm not picking on you personally, but I wish people would think before regurgitating the police line on speed. Speed does not cause accidents. Not on it's own.

Aren't you just talking semantics? Speed may not "cause" accidents directly.

BUT: Its the lack of reaction time or reduced safety envelope caused by speed that makes accidents more likely in the event of something unpredictable happening.
Or
The lack of grip cause by excess speed and inadequate control. Schmucks dont miss corners and/or slide off because they were going too slowly...

It may not be the direct "cause", but it definitely contributes in a major way. Thinking otherwise is just dumb.

[MSTRS:Me]

I highly doubt there is really any regular member on Kiwibiker that is an example of the bad road behavior and racing attitude that you highlight.

You've not been around very long, have you?

[p.dath]

Katman, I have a question for you and I'm really not trying to wind you up. I'm only 21 and don't really understand the whole situation as it must be and in your books I'm probably one of the ones corrupting our image.

I'm nearly 40, and I think I only just "got it" in the last 5 years. I only wish I had the opportunity for more road user education 20 years ago.

Surely you know motorcycles have been like this since time began and the root of the problem just lies in human nature.

It's the effect of our culture of road use, and what we pass down from parent to children, and what they observe their peers doing. We can change it, but it will take an entire generation.

Instead of fighting an ever losing battle... why don't you focus your efforts into doing something to provide easily accessible and cheaper track days?

Part of the solution, but not the answer. It's attitudes that need to change.

I highly doubt there is really any regular member on Kiwibiker that is an example of the bad road behavior and racing attitude that you highlight.

Please wait, need to change my underwear. Pissed myself laughing so hard.

Here's a test. Start a thread with a poll. Ask those people who have been in a motorcycle accident if it was there fault. I bet most would say that someone else was to blame for their misfortune.

Therefore I believe that if you want to combat this problem, doing something like the above suggestion would be a far more effective solution than whinging about it on here as you need to reach the message to all those who are the real ones you are meaning to target.

Repeat the same message enough times and people will start to listen. Have you noticed they don't put adverts on TV just once - how they keep repeating them - especially infomercials?

[miloking]

Repeat the same message enough times and people will start to listen. Have you noticed they don't put adverts on TV just once - how they keep repeating them - especially infomercials?

I thought the saying was : repeat the lie enough times and it becomes the truth...by the way hearing the same TV adds gets pretty annoying, realy fast!

[DEATH_INC.]

What I'm saying is it's often lack of attention and poor judgement that makes mistakes. For all the one's caused by entering a corner too hot when doing your 'rossi' impersonation, many are done when you're a lot less attentative to what is coming up.
Speed may shorten the amount of reaction time avaliable, but again you are generally paying more attention.
Also I'd like to think that those who ride faster tend to have better tyres and stuff too.

[Mad-V2]

Ha Ha, Funny hats.


Not even these idiots can slow me down!!!

In fact, Katman, Batman, superman or wonder woman couldn't either as I have no self control when I get on my bike. And if 30 grand in fines over 18 years wont slow me down, only a sudden impact will. But my job on the road is 10 times more dangerous than my speed, as I see at least 5 complete and utter idiots in cars a day on the road. It will be one of them that kills me first!
I have never seen an accident whilst out on the bike nor have I had one, but in the last 14 years in my job I have pulled two people from destroyed cars, I've been rear ended twice, seen two cars slide off the road and I'm nearly killed at least twice a week by dumb fucks who don't know the road rules. If ya want to save people, go on a cycling website. Those idiots ride on State Highways, two abreast with no consideration to any other road users. They get full cover from ACC and free cycleway networks that they don't even use half the time, And who pays for all that? Not them, they spend their money on fucken gay cycle suits that would never protect them in any type of accident!

[Katman]

I have no self control when I get on my bike...... with no consideration to any other road users.

Fixed that for you.

[Mad-V2]

Tosser!!!!

[racefactory]

Ha Ha, Funny hats.


Not even these idiots can slow me down!!!

In fact, Katman, Batman, superman or wonder woman couldn't either as I have no self control when I get on my bike. And if 30 grand in fines over 18 years wont slow me down, only a sudden impact will. But my job on the road is 10 times more dangerous than my speed, as I see at least 5 complete and utter idiots in cars a day on the road. It will be one of them that kills me first!
I have never seen an accident whilst out on the bike nor have I had one, but in the last 14 years in my job I have pulled two people from destroyed cars, I've been rear ended twice, seen two cars slide off the road and I'm nearly killed at least twice a week by dumb fucks who don't know the road rules. If ya want to save people, go on a cycling website. Those idiots ride on State Highways, two abreast with no consideration to any other road users. They get full cover from ACC and free cycleway networks that they don't even use half the time, And who pays for all that? Not them, they spend their money on fucken gay cycle suits that would never protect them in any type of accident!

Can't argue with that.

I believe if there is a serious problem with road users, namely motorcyclists who are using the roads as a race track... then there is obviously a problem with:

1. Awareness of access to race tracks.
2. Costs of accessing a race track.

I reckon if you stopped all the delinquent knee-down on the roads riders for a second, the vast majority wouldn't know how to get to a track or where to look for information. Not everyone wants to get serious join some fucking club, community forum, school or other commitments in order to just blitz around for some laps. There needs to be easy information in front of them.

You can't change the culture, it's just the nature of males- wanting to go faster and faster, taking more and more risk. Maybe not for you oldies, but for us young guns it almost always is. Effectively show them the appropriate place to satisfy this need. Just because we lot stuck into the message boards think it's easy to find an opportunity to get on track it does not mean others do.