MSL Council to be lead by Gareth Morgan

[RiderInBlack]

Political Compass.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Thank for that. Seems Me and Gandhi are in about the same place on the compass.

I can live with that.

But I sit more left than even the Greens Yet I have shifted my vote as I see the Country Needs at the time voting wise.

[Brian d marge]

Took the test

me and Ghandi are best of mates

Now I WILL buy that spinning machine

Stephen

[idleidolidyll]

Importantly, some of you will have noticed that I have called National 'authoritarian'.

The media play the left / right game continuously but history shows that the biggest threat is authoritarianism.

Authoritarian governments tend to be right wing (Hitler, Pinochet, Bush) but not exclusibvely (Stalin/Mao).

Authoritarian governmets are secretive and will act differently from what they say. They will pass bills in secret or in urgency with little to no debate.

Past studies have shown that National breaks far more of its election promises than Labour and we know that Gerry Brownlea has been given the ultimate power of a dictator uneccisarily in order to sort out the Chch Earthquake. Labour too has passed bills in urgency and is also somewhat secretive but nearly as mjuch as National.

The Political Compass will guide you on that as well.

If you take the test and find you do not fit in where you think you should be; there's a high cjance that you pay more attention to mainstream media propaganda than you do self research to find opposing positions.

[idleidolidyll]

not really interested in reading whatever websites suit your opinions.

exactly; you are therefore not open minded and will refuse to read information that challenges your world view.

Just replied as you asked, just to get abuse.

Cant be bothered discussing anything in that way

ps I have travelled the world and spent ime in usa and a few peoples republic and from what i have seen we are way left of most countries i have visited. Ill vote for who has best polocies for the future IMHO

On the other hand, I'm battered every day by propaganda from the mainstream media and I know it. I actively seek out alterantive opinions on most stories.

I have lived in Asia, Africa, Europe, North America and of course NZ. The home of the brave and the land of the free contains many of the most uninformed and badly informed people on the planet; they live in a state of constant propaganda.

please do continue but keep to the subject if you can and try to argue from a basis of fact. I'm happy to have any discussion but this is Stoineys thread about Gareth Morgan and the Nick Smith 'initiative' set up OBO motorcyclists.

(Stoney, I bracket 'initiative' because IMO it should really be seen as 'snow job')

[Ocean1]

If you take the test and find you do not fit in where you think you should be; there's a high cjance....

... it's because the test is utter drivel.

[idleidolidyll]

Thank for that. Seems Me and Gandhi are in about the same place on the compass.

I can live with that.

But I sit more left than even the Greens Yet I have shifted my vote as I see the Country Needs at the time voting wise.

and that's a big problem with the way most 'democracies' are run.

we vote on personality, single issues, the way we always have or the way our parents do (and worship the same gods too!)

if we really wanted change we would boot out BOTH National and Labour but most people are somewhat afraid of what result that might have.

Stoney: any news or progress to enlighten us with?

[idleidolidyll]

... it's because the test is utter drivel.

no, you obviously found yourself not where you thought you'd be; welcome to the world of propaganda

rather than a fallacy argument as you've posted (appeal to your own authority), please explain why that test is 'utter drivel'

the test is a measure against the actions of political parties around the world as opposed to a test against their words. Obviously the difference between words and action is massive and should make intelligent people question mainstream reporting a little more. Wikileaks is the best thing we've had since Jesus was invented.

[yachtie10]

... it's because the test is utter drivel.

I caved and did the test
apparently I am Nelson Mandela

IMHO the test is far to simple to have any use to me and I have no idea what propaganda is behind the website or how it comes to its conclusions

[Mom]

I have a concern. I understand and appreciate that all MSL levies collected will be administered by this Gareth Morgan led council without any of it being diverted into paying the expenses of running the council. What I am concerned about though, and despite protestations otherwise, this council will have substantial expenses, I doubt Gareth Morgan is working for lunch money, though am happy to be contradicted. There is also adminstrative expenses, and advertising expenses, and meeting fees, and transport costs and on and on and on...

These expenses are being funded by ACC via what levy? I am picking the motorcycle levy, or at very least the motorvehicle levy. So now we have a levy that we dont actually need, being administered at extra cost to bikers in the long run. What happens to the funding ACC already provide to training providers to subsidise training sessions? Picking that will dry up too.

So now we have a dedicated MSL of $30 per registered motorcycle. Anecdotealy we hear that people are not registering their bikes. The amount expected to be collected if I recall correctly was around 6 million dollars. This has now had to be revised to $2.7m I think Gareth Morgan said last Monday. I would dearly love to find out how much ACC currently spend on the Look out for bikes campaign and the like.

[RiderInBlack]

no, you obviously found yourself not where you thought you'd be; welcome to the world of propaganda

Or like a lot of People, he made up his mind that something is utter drivel without trying it or reading it. Pollies love that sort of thing because it is so much easier to misguide people who only skim the surface.

[idleidolidyll]

I have a concern. I understand and appreciate that all MSL levies collected will be administered by this Gareth Morgan led council without any of it being diverted into paying the expenses of running the council. What I am concerned about though, and despite protestations otherwise, this council will have substantial expenses, I doubt Gareth Morgan is working for lunch money, though am happy to be contradicted. There is also adminstrative expenses, and advertising expenses, and meeting fees, and transport costs and on and on and on...

These expenses are being funded by ACC via what levy? I am picking the motorcycle levy, or at very least the motorvehicle levy. So now we have a levy that we dont actually need, being administered at extra cost to bikers in the long run. What happens to the funding ACC already provide to training providers to subsidise training sessions? Picking that will dry up too.

So now we have a dedicated MSL of $30 per registered motorcycle. Anecdotealy we hear that people are not registering their bikes. The amount expected to be collected if I recall correctly was around 6 million dollars. This has now had to be revised to $2.7m I think Gareth Morgan said last Monday. I would dearly love to find out how much ACC currently spend on the Look out for bikes campaign and the like.

i agree, and that's one of the reasons i reckon $2 million is peanuts and will achieve SFA

[idleidolidyll]

I caved and did the test
apparently I am Nelson Mandela

IMHO the test is far to simple to have any use to me and I have no idea what propaganda is behind the website or how it comes to its conclusions

so read the site

it may be relatively simple but its way better than the media left/right proposition so many people are suckered by

[Mom]

i agree, and that's one of the reasons i reckon $2 million is peanuts and will achieve SFA

And why I get particularly twitchy is the overkill reassurances that no MSL will be spent on admin. No one has even made a fuss about that, well not that I am aware of. It has obviously been decided that objections will be in that direction. As I have said all along, transparency is the key to quell building unrest. Not hollow assurances, repeated over and over and over.

[idleidolidyll]

And why I get particularly twitchy is the overkill reassurances that no MSL will be spent on admin. No one has even made a fuss about that, well not that I am aware of. It has obviously been decided that objections will be in that direction. As I have said all along, transparency is the key to quell building unrest. Not hollow assurances, repeated over and over and over.

ahhh! transparency! Not something National is actually about

I present to you all.....Nick Asswipe Smith

as transparent as a black hole

[SPman]

as transparent as a black hole

and spewing off as much radiation and noise......
Ah...the test....where I sit, Ghandi is a bloody authoritarian right winger.....