Too many classes at National Championship?

[Kickaha]

One thing I really think needs changing not just at the Nats but club racing as well is the starting grids. Qualifying for race 1 is good but race 2 grid should be from race 1's results, that'd make for even closer 2nd races as the fast guys go straight into battle.
Thats what they do overseas ain't it..............

I think pre transponder days the grid was done on where you were in the points table?

I seem to remember being gridded off that a decade or so ago

[Shaun]

I think pre transponder days the grid was done on where you were in the points table?

I seem to remember being gridded off that a decade or so ago

Correct man, but as I said in my last post, the current system aids competitors for failures etc

[Tony.OK]

Correct man, but as I said in my last post, the current system aids competitors for failures etc

Fair call.............what do the WSBK's do Shaun?

Do they take it from the fastest lap times in the previous race? Then no one gets penalised for mech or crashing................bit off topic I know.

[Shaun]

Fair call.............what do the WSBK's do Shaun?

Do they take it from the fastest lap times in the previous race? Then no one gets penalised for mech or crashing................bit off topic I know.

where you Qual is where you start from for both races M8

[brads]

Fair call.............what do the WSBK's do Shaun?

Do they take it from the fastest lap times in the previous race? Then no one gets penalised for mech or crashing................bit off topic I know.

Thats what they do in the BSB championship

[Drew]

Jimmy, how much did it cost in tyres to ride a superbike at your level?

How rooted was Craig after race one this weekend been?

Some people here are asking why the "premier" classes don't get more track time, and in other threads the same people are asking why the grids are shrinking.

Make up your minds, if a superbike gets twice as many races as they currently do, then tyre bills double.

The rest of the classes are "support classes" yes? Who do you think we are supporting Marcus?

As for the "rust buckets" comment, you really are sounding like a spoilt prat. The nationals should not be a run what you brung affair in my opinion too, but some of us came down south on a bloody shoe string. For our own enjoyment but also the good of the sport. There was no money for flashing the machine up and so it didn't get done.

You are a bit of a poser though I guess, so I can totally see why you favour form over function.

[sidecar bob]

Your call of Course Leanne, but I will always defend peolpe that are being unfairly abused, especially after they all have spent a shite load of money to go racing.

Have a nice day

How much somebody spends on themselves shouldnt alter anything should it?

[Nonbeliever]

the premier classes are the superbike and 600's classes.
anyone that cant see that is living in a seriously deluded little world of their own shit.
You've just got to see the viewing bank empty after the superbike races to realize this.
When the sidecars are on it's time to go have a dump, get a drink, perv or catch up with mates. sorry, but true

[ClutchITUP]

Marcus, I think most people there were friends/family of the support classes.
And want to see their own race
If your worried bout your sponsors not getting enough coverage why not circulate at the front?
I ran in clubmans and pushed harder than I ever have before because I was supporting the top guys like Stroud, Charlette on the day.
My opinion is without clubmans at nationals events(which only had 2 8 lap) races) less people would progress to national level

[Wingnut]

My opinion is without clubmans at nationals events(which only had 2 8 lap) races) less people would progress to national level

Sorry but even though I have previously ran in Clubmans at the Nats - I still think it could be done without. Motards should run a proper national championship too!
As for progressing to a national level - First you need a shit load more in the $$ for the old budget. Two of the top guys in the 600s this year (Ross and Charlett) were at most if not all of the MCC club race days - so its not like the chellenge isn't there...

[lostinflyz]

Sorry but even though I have previously ran in Clubmans at the Nats - I still think it could be done without. Motards should run a proper national championship too!
As for progressing to a national level - First you need a shit load more in the $$ for the old budget. Two of the top guys in the 600s this year (Ross and Charlett) were at most if not all of the MCC club race days - so its not like the chellenge isn't there...

100% agree. Clubmans guys should either step up and give it a go in their class, or spend another year at club level then step up. Its amazing the number of guys who start nats just inside the 115% qauli time in proper classes, and come the end they're closer to 105% of the top times. and motards deserve a go at having a full series.

as a side note to the guys who said no one shows up at nats, you obviously weren't at ruapuna on the weekend. Sunday had a great crowd, people were everywhere, it was hard to find a good spot to watch. I tried to count just the cars on the bank watching around the circuit but lost count at 170 when i counted from the first corner to the hairpin, where their were the least (must have easily been close to 400). It was a massive effort by the club to promote, and they did a great job. ok there were a few issues on the day and the meet ran a bit long but thats life and shit happens. Overall it was a great meet and spectacularly attended!!!!!

[k14]

as a side note to the guys who said no one shows up at nats, you obviously weren't at ruapuna on the weekend. Sunday had a great crowd, people were everywhere, it was hard to find a good spot to watch. I tried to count just the cars on the bank watching around the circuit but lost count at 170 when i counted from the first corner to the hairpin, where their were the least (must have easily been close to 400). It was a massive effort by the club to promote, and they did a great job. ok there were a few issues on the day and the meet ran a bit long but thats life and shit happens. Overall it was a great meet and spectacularly attended!!!!!

Yeah totally agree, Mick and his helpers deserve a massive congratulations for such a well run and professional effort. I can only remember seeing that many people at a road racing event in NZ before and that was at the Britten memorial way back about 10 years ago. The amount of cars around the whole circuit was certainly pleasing. I hope we put on a good enough show for them

[Drew]

the premier classes are the superbike and 600's classes.
anyone that cant see that is living in a seriously deluded little world of their own shit.
You've just got to see the viewing bank empty after the superbike races to realize this.
When the sidecars are on it's time to go have a dump, get a drink, perv or catch up with mates. sorry, but true

No one is saying they aren't the premier classes, and what you choose to do with your time when the sidecars come out is up to you.

But I can tell you there were still quite a few people around the track watching our races, I know this because once we got tired we started to ham it up a bit for them and got quite a few applause for our effort.

I am confident that the sidecar numbers will increase in the not distant future, and once they do the racing will be good for spectators and riders alike.

[roadracingoldfart]

No one is saying they aren't the premier classes, and what you choose to do with your time when the sidecars come out is up to you.

But I can tell you there were still quite a few people around the track watching our races, I know this because once we got tired we started to ham it up a bit for them and got quite a few applause for our effort.

I am confident that the sidecar numbers will increase in the not distant future, and once they do the racing will be good for spectators and riders alike.

Ok heres an invite to self implosion i guess....... I stand and say that Superbikes are not Premier class label owners.
Why ???
....... Easy , if a Superbike rider gives it 100% in his race and a Superlite rider gives it 100% in his race and a Sidecar pairing gives it 100% in thier race then thats as even as it has to be , the machines are going flat out to the potential of the capacity , the crowd hopefully gets to see a few dices ( and heaven forbid the crashes they seem to look for ) and the riders have fun , stay safe and give some kind of short or long term memory to someone , be it a spectator or a fellow competitor or even a sponsor looking for a way to get his name out in the field.
Labelling only one class as Premier is just dumb . Every class is full of guys and girls giving it shit and trying hard to please anybody and everybody interested in the sport. When a movement to make one class so much more important than another happens i get a bit miffed and i hope i dont see the internal destruction that has occured in the sports body in days gone by.
I started this racing shit in 1983 and at that time the Molboro series was full of very big names from factory teams , you may say that was Premier but those days are gone and wont be back anytime soon. We have what we got now and if it isnt broken dont try to fix it.

[sidecar bob]

The premier class will be the one with the closest racing.
I believe we have amomgst us a competitor, that while easily capable of absolutely trouncing the entire field in his class, hangs back & makes a race of it, season long.
This unassuming genius keeps the spotlight on his class, rather than himself for the good of everyone.