Do MNZ officials have to conform to rules?

**oyster** · 16th February 2011, 12:50

I'm probably a bit tough there implying our current Board Member is not up to the standard we had with Johnny. Kev Goddard is a great guy and does a good job.
If he's not out there amongst the members as much as we'd like it's not a surprise. He has a wife, young kids, two jobs, a board members role, runs a successful race team and likes a ride himself! But I'll still say they need to encourage the people at the coal face to help them out and lighten their load.

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th February 2011, 13:24

Originally Posted by k14

You would have been fine to bring things up with the officials. The reason Nick was abused by officials was the manor in which he was acting towards them. That wall has been there since day dot and he has raced there for the 6 or 7 years with no protection there and then 20 mins before riding is supposed to start he starts complaining about it. Valid concern but the only outcome was the meeting being called off.

Actually mate that issue is raised I think by "somebody" at every national meeting.
Personally I'd like to see a part of licence fees go to pay for a section of air fence that is available to be used by clubs nation wide.
I'm thinking at levels theres "that" corner. at Pukie theres the top of the "hill" on the outside.At HD theres that point on the s/f straight. arguably Ruapuna as you reenter the s/f straight.

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th February 2011, 13:33

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

My understanding of the pitlane start is "last bike over the line & then you get let go", however at levels it would be reasnoble to make that "last bike past pitlane exit".
The cold tyre comment is irrelevant IMO.

General question -not wanting to get into this bun fight. If someone starts from pitlane then won't they show as being 1 lap down because they don't cross the beam with their transponder? -or is this just allowed for at the tally up stage?

**k14** · 16th February 2011, 13:39

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Actually mate that issue is raised I think by "somebody" at every national meeting.
Personally I'd like to see a part of licence fees go to pay for a section of air fence that is available to be used by clubs nation wide.
I'm thinking at levels theres "that" corner. at Pukie theres the top of the "hill" on the outside.At HD theres that point on the s/f straight. arguably Ruapuna as you reenter the s/f straight.

Tuckerman said at Levels that there is currently a project on to get a set of transportable air fence for use like you mention. ACC has put up some $$ and they are trying to raise the rest. Hopefully get something before next year!

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th February 2011, 13:44

actually guys--just to remind me--the reason for that corner even being there is for added safety isn't it? Was it actual crashes at T1/2/3 that decided them to use the chicane to slow riders into T1 or was it perceived danger with no actual crashes?

**Grumph** · 16th February 2011, 14:48

Correct - going thru the esses reduces speed onto the straight and hence the approach to turn 1/2.
To the best of my knowledge bikes have always used the esses except where we've been a support class at a car meeting.
To illustrate that there's nothing new here I remember Dale Wylie getting into a tankslapper leaving the esses and slapping all the way down the straight and carrying straight on until he hit the solitary loudspeaker pole in the center of the sweeper infield....which has since been removed.

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th February 2011, 15:09

Originally Posted by Grumph

Correct - going thru the esses reduces speed onto the straight and hence the approach to turn 1/2.
To the best of my knowledge bikes have always used the esses except where we've been a support class at a car meeting.
To illustrate that there's nothing new here I remember Dale Wylie getting into a tankslapper leaving the esses and slapping all the way down the straight and carrying straight on until he hit the solitary loudspeaker pole in the center of the sweeper infield....which has since been removed.

I guess the question I'm sorta hinting at is--would it be safer to not have the chicane there? Does it cause issues for the car guys?

**Kickaha** · 16th February 2011, 16:32

Originally Posted by FROSTY

I guess the question I'm sorta hinting at is--would it be safer to not have the chicane there? Does it cause issues for the car guys?

It causes no issues for the car guys because they don't use it

No it would not be safer to to run without it, it means you're coming onto the front straight at a much higher speed with a big wall on the outside

**kiwi cowboy** · 16th February 2011, 17:41

Originally Posted by FROSTY

General question -not wanting to get into this bun fight. If someone starts from pitlane then won't they show as being 1 lap down because they don't cross the beam with their transponder? -or is this just allowed for at the tally up stage?

I think you will find they do set the beem off starting from pit lane if im reading a previous post that said the offical was pushing the bike back because it was setting the timming gear off so by starting further back they would trigger it off as they crossed it.{only presuming this of course so could be -- probably am wrong}

**nick2slow** · 16th February 2011, 20:53

Originally Posted by budda

well done Choppa, bullseye and man enough to say so !

Unlike the rest of the ill-informed, I've spoken to the naughty Official ( and I can only presume you are referring to the event organiser, the guy who was pushing your green partner-in-crime backwards down the chute at the time )

What he SAID was that you couldnt go out from where you were, you had to move back because your transponders were setting off the TIMING system. As you know, the procedure for starting from pitlane at Levels was included in the info you all received, so no surprises that you were held until it was SAFE to let you out.

As for the "innuendo", what I didnt spell out was that it would appear at first reading that you have admitted in print that you both disobeyed the instructions of the Official - let me make it clear for all those with comprehension deficit disorder,: that would not be a clever thing to do, now would it ?

Like I said, lets get on with the rest of the Series, starting with the best track in the country ........ and dont forget, when you get to the end of the straight, TURN LEFT !!!!!!!!

leave me out of your winge, i had nothing to say on what happen, never complained about the situation, so why bring my name into this? you know how to contact me if you got something to say to me i love to chat

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th February 2011, 21:10

Originally Posted by Kickaha

It causes no issues for the car guys because they don't use it

No it would not be safer to to run without it, it means you're coming onto the front straight at a much higher speed with a big wall on the outside

Howzat?---Hey mon you know the place a ferk load better than me but my memory says you fire onto pit "straight" from T9 which is a slowish corner. short straight then into a right, left, tiny straight then sweeper combo -doesn't that deal with a lot of the speed?
No critique here I just never could understand it

**jellywrestler** · 16th February 2011, 21:49

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Actually mate that issue is raised I think by "somebody" at every national meeting.
Personally I'd like to see a part of licence fees go to pay for a section of air fence that is available to be used by clubs nation wide.
I'm thinking at levels theres "that" corner. at Pukie theres the top of the "hill" on the outside.At HD theres that point on the s/f straight. arguably Ruapuna as you reenter the s/f straight.

have you any idea of the freight costs to move them araound, and the storage of them between usage?

airfences re great but no that simple