Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

[Ocean1]

Shooting the messenger is never an effective way of controlling communication.

Oh I dunno...

[Bassmatt]

We gave him that prerogative when we elected his party to Government.

Shooting the messenger is never an effective way of controlling communication.

Not me, and my idea of Democracy does not include giving elected officials carte blanche when elected.
My post about reporting to AA was a genuine question, they obviously put some effort into getting him appointed I doubt they are now going to just walk away and leave him to it. Wouldn't be much point in getting him on it then, would there?

[nosebleed]

He appears to be the exception that proofs the rule...

And there's the rub.

[NONONO]

Now your finally getting it! to quote another.

[riffer]

The problem herein then seems to be the old one.

Expectation vs reality.

You see, we expect that, because we live in a democracy that we should have some say in how Government works.

The reality, however, is that you don't have ANY say in what the Government wants.

If Nick Smith decides tomorrow that he is going to kick EVERY biker off the MCSAC and replace them with accountants, AA executives and Insurance industry people, then there is NOTHING you or I can do about it, except vote the Government out.

So how about, rather than bag the people who are on the Committee, you thank your lucky bloody stars that there are some passionate motorcyclists who have managed to actually get on this Committee, who may very well make some difference, DESPITE the contraints that this reprehensible bunch of dictators we call our elected representatives try and impose on them.

I wouldn't have the MCSAC's job for quids.

[Katman]

Why is everyone getting so anguished?

As I said before, all they're there for is to oversee the spending of a bit of money - nothing more, nothing less. I'm sure they'll handle the job fine.

If they were there to advise TPTB on how the future of motorcycling in New Zealand should be governed then there might be reason for us to be more interested in their credentials.

[Smifffy]

FFS dudes start listening.

Maybe when people start talking we can listen. MrKiwi even denied he was the AA rep when asked.

He then de3leted his own post and posted something more "politically correct".

Why can't people who claim to speak for us at least introduce themselves? The others on the committee have all been named in the press release from January.

Apparently people have been appointed to working groups, but we don't know what these working groups are or who is on them.

When one person that we have trust in came back and filled us in on a FEW benign details he got told to pull his head in, even though most of what he posted was his opinion.

Don't tell me to start listening until someone can come up with something to say other than "trust me".

[NONONO]

Don't remember bagging anyone on the committee.
Just the very existence of the committee.
I am not opposed to any individual, like you said, hard working, well meaning guys, trying to make a difference.
But the fact that this committee exists and is discussing bikers needs with Smith and his lying bunch of civil servants is a disgrace after what was done not so long ago.

[Bassmatt]

The problem herein then seems to be the old one.

Expectation vs reality.

You see, we expect that, because we live in a democracy that we should have some say in how Government works.

The reality, however, is that you don't have ANY say in what the Government wants.

If Nick Smith decides tomorrow that he is going to kick EVERY biker off the MCSAC and replace them with accountants, AA executives and Insurance industry people, then there is NOTHING you or I can do about it, except vote the Government out.

So how about, rather than bag the people who are on the Committee, you thank your lucky bloody stars that there are some passionate motorcyclists who have managed to actually get on this Committee, who may very well make some difference, DESPITE the contraints that this reprehensible bunch of dictators we call our elected representatives try and impose on them.

I wouldn't have the MCSAC's job for quids.

Not really democracy then is it?
I think you said it well " elected dictatorship".
However back on topic:
I havent bagged anyone....yet. Surely you can see how someone who is on an AA council and has been appointed after the minister being lobbied by the AA would be seen as an AA representitive.
No?

[Katman]

But the fact that this committee exists and is discussing bikers needs with Smith and his lying bunch of civil servants is a disgrace after what was done not so long ago.

Thankfully, many of us are able to see that the benefits that may come from spending a sum of money on making motorcycling safer (and therefore, more attractive to the masses) far outweigh your inability to move on.

[Bassmatt]

Why is everyone getting so anguished?

As I said before, all they're there for is to oversee the spending of a bit of money - nothing more, nothing less. I'm sure they'll handle the job fine.

If they were there to advise TPTB on how the future of motorcycling in New Zealand should be governed then there might be reason for us to be more interested in their credentials.

You think recommendations they make that suits Nicks/Acc agenda wont be implemented?
They are there so he can say " but the bikers wanted it, just ask the MSAC"

[Katman]

You think recommendations they make that suits Nicks/Acc agenda wont be implemented?
They are there so he can say " but the bikers wanted it, just ask the MSAC"

Once again........

They're there to spend some money - not formulate policy.

[NONONO]

Thankfully, many of us are able to see that the benefits that may come from spending a sum of money on making motorcycling safer (and therefore, more attractive to the masses) far outweigh your inability to move on.

Yep, can't wait to see those free Hi Vis vests and the car focused TV ads eh?
Oh, Oh...and the bumper stickers, an an.......
Pffffffffffffff

[Bassmatt]

Once again........

They're there to spend some money - not formulate policy.

At the moment, I wont be surprised to see it morph into policy advice, if they have the "right" sort of ideas.

[Bassmatt]

Can they also not spend money .ie ask ACC to stop wasting my money on bloody Hi Vis vests.