Round 4 Castrol 1 Nationals Road Race Champs

[scracha]

BULLSHIT!!!!!

That's right...shouting will change everything.

if you do a couple of rounds you'll find stroudy, bugdin, stauffer, smith, or any of the other fast chaps in other classes aren't defying the laws of physics.

Perhaps not. They are however, on a different planet to mid-pack club racers.

is the least of their concerns. If you just do your thing, their good, smart and confident enough to ride up the inside or outside of you and they'll do all the work.

Whatever

You wont be the first guy any of the properly fast guys have lapped.
you'll learn next to fuck all from a mid-pack club racer. wanna be fast, ride with fast guys.

If you're a mid-pack club racer, you'll learn a lot from a fast club racer.
If you're a mid-pack club racer, you'll learn next to fuck all from an even moderatly fast nats rider.
Fast club racers...by all means...have a crack at the nats.

shot of the quick guys for a corner or two, you wont be able to qaulify, and its just a question of accepting your not ready, practicing and coming back next year.

So we're basically agreeing. Mid-pack club racers shouldn't waste their time at the Nats.

[lostinflyz]

That's right...shouting will change everything.


Perhaps not. They are however, on a different planet to mid-pack club racers.


Whatever


If you're a mid-pack club racer, you'll learn a lot from a fast club racer.
If you're a mid-pack club racer, you'll learn next to fuck all from an even moderatly fast nats rider.
Fast club racers...by all means...have a crack at the nats.


So we're basically agreeing. Mid-pack club racers shouldn't waste their time at the Nats.

the top club racers tends to be a nats riders already. looking at the last auckland hampton downs race day, every f1 bike was inside the qaulifying time in the last race, so even a tail end charlie there is nats capable.

anything you can learn from a rider slightly faster rider, you can learn that and more by someone going twice as fast, and you don't learn any of the crap that makes that slighty faster guy a whole lot slower than the properly fast people. being on track and able to see exactly what guys who can ride lap records are doing, where and when, will teach you more than you would learn in an entire seasons club racing. You only have to see how much faster guys go after a few nats meets to realise this.

top level bike riders aren't aliens, there not intergallactic beings who can magically ride bike beyond the laws of gravity, they don't fart horsepower and they don't shit grip. They may have some ability, some don't even have that, but most have worked hard, ridden against the best, learnt from them, spent a few dollars, learnt from their mistakes.....but more than anything else, they all gave it a go to start with.

[Dreama]

Any club racers stepping up and doing this round at Hampton Downs?
I am thinking about doing it, but I was wondering what the fast guys opinion was on having slower guys out there who they will be lapping? My times there are well within the 115% qualifying limit but I will still be lapped during a 20 lap race for sure.
Your thoughts please....

I experienced the humiliation, along with several riders behind me, of being black flagged off the track at Puke several years ago ( when Shawn Giles was racing for the title with Stroudy). I was doing consistent 1.04's (within the 115% by my calc's) and when I got lapped around Jennian Homes corner the officials decided the speed differential was too great, so they proceeded to eject us off the track.
To say I was offended and pissed off is seriously understating the feeling I had, not to mention out of pocket many 100's of $.
It defies the logic behind many of the previous posts put on this subject ..ie .. learning off the fast guys etc and I'm only mentioning this to draw to your attention that it could happen.
Obviously their reasoning was a safety concern but I still bristle when I think about it and have never raced a national since.

Hopefully that won't happen to you or others that qualify and make the effort to front up.

[White trash]

I experienced the humiliation, along with several riders behind me, of being black flagged off the track at Puke several years ago ( when Shawn Giles was racing for the title with Stroudy). I was doing consistent 1.04's (within the 115% by my calc's) and when I got lapped around Jennian Homes corner the officials decided the speed differential was too great, so they proceeded to eject us off the track.
To say I was offended and pissed off is seriously understating the feeling I had, not to mention out of pocket many 100's of $.
It defies the logic behind many of the previous posts put on this subject ..ie .. learning off the fast guys etc and I'm only mentioning this to draw to your attention that it could happen.
Obviously their reasoning was a safety concern but I still bristle when I think about it and have never raced a national since.

Hopefully that won't happen to you or others that qualify and make the effort to front up.

If they were doing 55s (and they can) and you were doing 64s then you were at 116%.

[Billy]

the top club racers tends to be a nats riders already. looking at the last auckland hampton downs race day, every f1 bike was inside the qaulifying time in the last race, so even a tail end charlie there is nats capable.

anything you can learn from a rider slightly faster rider, you can learn that and more by someone going twice as fast, and you don't learn any of the crap that makes that slighty faster guy a whole lot slower than the properly fast people. being on track and able to see exactly what guys who can ride lap records are doing, where and when, will teach you more than you would learn in an entire seasons club racing. You only have to see how much faster guys go after a few nats meets to realise this.

top level bike riders aren't aliens, there not intergallactic beings who can magically ride bike beyond the laws of gravity, they don't fart horsepower and they don't shit grip. They may have some ability, some don't even have that, but most have worked hard, ridden against the best, learnt from them, spent a few dollars, learnt from their mistakes.....but more than anything else, they all gave it a go to start with.

Well put,
Put simply everybody has 2 arms and 2 legs and its how you apply yourself that will determine the results,A top club racer as pointed out will generally be a national rider as well,BUT at a national meeting he will push about 15% harder and make a pass he wouldnt bother with at a club day,Its called commitment!

Quite frankly most club racers arent really even racing,Theyre just riding their bikes as fast as think they can.

Anybody that thinks Joe public goes to race meetings simply to watch the Superbikes and 600s needs to pull their head out of the dark place it lives,Joe public wants too see people taking risks and pushing to the very edge and those people only live in the front 5 in each class,Everybody else is a support rider filling the grid and making up the numbers and people outside of their personal friends wouldnt even know they were there

[kel]

What a load of horse piss

Well put,
Put simply everybody has 2 arms and 2 legs and its how you apply yourself that will determine the results,A top club racer as pointed out will generally be a national rider as well,BUT at a national meeting he will push about 15% harder and make a pass he wouldnt bother with at a club day,Its called commitment!

Quite frankly most club racers arent really even racing,Theyre just riding their bikes as fast as think they can.

Anybody that thinks Joe public goes to race meetings simply to watch the Superbikes and 600s needs to pull their head out of the dark place it lives,Joe public wants too see people taking risks and pushing to the very edge and those people only live in the front 5 in each class,Everybody else is a support rider filling the grid and making up the numbers and people outside of their personal friends wouldnt even know they were there

[Billy]

What a load of horse piss

Excellent reply,You must have put alot of thought and have a huge amount of experience to come up with such a profound statement??

[jellywrestler]

top level bike riders aren't aliens, there not intergallactic beings who can magically ride bike beyond the laws of gravity

somebody once told me Craig Shirriffs was from Uranus...

[gixerracer]

If they were doing 55s (and they can) and you were doing 64s then you were at 116%.

No motorcycle has ever done 55s at puke yo fucken stain

[jellywrestler]

Well put,
Put simply everybody has 2 arms and 2 legs

Sorry to correct you Billy but Siamese (or conjoined twins,well most of them) have more than that.
That's why they invented pantyhose, so Siamese twins could rob banks too, by the way

[Deano]

If they were doing 55s (and they can) and you were doing 64s then you were at 116%.

What a cunt !!

[kel]

Excellent reply,You must have put alot of thought and have a huge amount of experience to come up with such a profound statement??

I guess not, clearly I don't share your profound intellect.

[Deano]

No motorcycle has ever done 55s at puke yo fucken stain

Jamie McNair did a 54 no shit man !

[Kickaha]

Jamie McNair did a 54 no shit man !

You're full of shit, he never stayed on a bike long enough to finish a full lap

[Str8 Jacket]

You're full of shit, he never stayed on a bike long enough to finish a full lap

Yes, but he was on the track for 54 seconds...

ps Deano, get off the phone to Malcolm, I am trying to listen to the TV!!