Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

**Pixie** · 18th March 2011, 08:54

Originally Posted by riffer

This comment would have validity if members of those organisations were paid members, doing this for a job. As they are unpaid voluntary members of these organisations I suggest the payment is for their INDIVIDUAL services rendered. The individuals were chosen INDIVIDUALLY BY THE MINISTER because HE BELIEVED that they would do the best by motorcyclists, not because of any advocacy by the representative motorcycling groups. There is one odd one out, the member of AA, who was added after extensive lobbying by the Automobile Association.

However all members are there as individuals.

What's your point?

What does it matter to you? Look up in ACC's annual reports for what they pay consultants for meetings. This will give you an idea. It's not an unreasonable amount IMO.

Again, what's your point?

Each member gets one vote. Look at each member's organisation's annual reports if you want to know how many members there are. However, as I have already indicated, given that each member is there not to represent their organisation but due to their individual abilities, it's neither here nor there.

I think you're trying to put a spin on things that really isn't there mate.

Why are you being so evasive?

**Pixie** · 18th March 2011, 09:03

Originally Posted by StoneY

Well it was my sole idea to post what I did mate and in a haze of fatigue from a hard week, I ignored set protocols in regards to 'public press releases' and the post I made could have been seen as that due to the public nature of this forum.

I meant well, and none of what I posted is not available at request from ACC anyway but I stepped on a few toes by jumping the gun and thats what I did wrong

The old "Confidentiality Agreement" huh?

**Pixie** · 18th March 2011, 09:15

Read the thread.

All I see is a lot of defending ACC by proponents of MCballSAC.

I can't believe it would be so easy to manipulate motorcyclists - just wave a little cash and stroke their egos.

**Pixie** · 18th March 2011, 09:29

Originally Posted by riffer

FFS dudes start listening.

There are a bunch of people on the MCSAC who have been hand-picked by the Minister of ACC, Nick Smith.

Eeeewww - I hope he wiped the semen of his hands before he did this.

**Pixie** · 18th March 2011, 09:38

Originally Posted by Katman

Once again........

They're there to spend some money - not formulate policy.

They are there to be manipulated by the govt. and to allow the govt. to say "we consulted with bikers".
When the toll does not diminish the govt. will blame them and by association (bullshit) bikers.
Then the govt. will use that failure to formulate policy.

**Pixie** · 18th March 2011, 09:44

Originally Posted by riffer

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• Motorcyclists make up 3% of registered vehicles but 13% of fatalities

This seems to imply that the "18 times" really is bullshit.

Oops,what a give away

**Str8 Jacket** · 18th March 2011, 09:45

.....and they say that talking to yourself is a sign of insanity....

**Katman** · 18th March 2011, 09:45

Originally Posted by Pixie

When the toll does not diminish.....

That's where the rest of us come into it.

**oneofsix** · 18th March 2011, 09:47

Originally Posted by Pixie

They are there to be manipulated by the govt. and to allow the govt. to say "we consulted with bikers".
When the toll does not diminish the govt. will blame them and by association (bullshit) bikers.
Then the govt. will use that failure to formulate policy.

I love the positive outlook expressed here ... and the alternative is to ... not get involved and the govt will still blame the bikers

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**avgas** · 18th March 2011, 10:09

Originally Posted by Smifffy

OK, so probably not until after May at least...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/ja...o-flee-tsunami

Clearly doing research on the hazards of motorcycling in NZ eh?

You have that all wrong.

Someone chucked him a 'kiwisaver' during his holiday.
Really saved his life.

**Pixie** · 18th March 2011, 10:12

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

.....and they say that talking to yourself is a sign of insanity....

So who's claiming sanity/ - it's not what it's cracked up to be.

**riffer** · 18th March 2011, 10:15

Originally Posted by Pixie

Why are you being so evasive?

Sorry Pixie. Not being evasive. I've told you everything I know. If refusing to speculate on things I don't know about is evasive, I plead guilty as sin.

**riffer** · 18th March 2011, 10:16

Originally Posted by Pixie

This seems to imply that the "18 times" really is bullshit.

Oops,what a give away

Of course it's bullshit. We all said it at the time, and it still stands now. Doesn't change anything the Government did though does it. We all KNOW it was a lie.

**Pixie** · 18th March 2011, 10:18

I'm still waiting for MCSUC to ask for submission of ideas to reduce the motorcycle road toll.

Or perhaps they know it all already and the committee take turns pulling ideas out of each others arses.