Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

[Eyegasm]

I'm still waiting for MCSUC to ask for submission of ideas to reduce the motorcycle road toll.

Or perhaps they know it all already and the committee take turns pulling ideas out of each others arses.

So what are your ideas on reducing the motorcycle road toll?

Hate to admit it, But Katman has said multiple times that it is up to us to reduce the accident rate of motorcyclists. We need to take responsibilty for our own actions.

So personally I am going to be taking the most practical steps to avoid joining the statistics.

P.S. I still hate the fact that Katman puts his message out there at the wrong time or wrong thread.

[Smifffy]

So what are your ideas on reducing the motorcycle road toll?

Hate to admit it, But Katman has said multiple times that it is up to us to reduce the accident rate of motorcyclists. We need to take responsibilty for our own actions.

So personally I am going to be taking the most practical steps to avoid joining the statistics.

Yeah? Well, I was doing that before the levy went up.

All I want to know is what am I going to get for my money?

When did they begin to collect the levy?

What has happened since? One meeting? It's not like they even needed the levy to set up the group and have the meetings, since all of that is funded from the ACC operating budget, as we've been told multiple times.

If the McSAC doesn't want to tell us what they are doing, then it isn't really that unreasonable to think that they are sitting on their hands.

Or maybe their interests lie elsewhere, say Africa?

I can take the individual responsibility to ride to the best of my ability and do my utmost to avoid becoming a statistic entirely free of charge, Messrs Smith & Morgan, so what are you going to do for me?

[Berries]

I'm still waiting for MCSUC to ask for submission of ideas to reduce the motorcycle road toll.

Or perhaps they know it all already and the committee take turns pulling ideas out of each others arses.

Now you're just being an arsehole. There's no point talking to people if they're not prepared to listen.

Fair comment I would have thought. Our $30 has been taken and yet there isn't any official word about what is being done with it or whether we will have any input in to how it is spent. All we hear is KB bullshit about hi-viz vests, but until there is something official what else can be expected?

[riffer]

Fair comment I would have thought. Our $30 has been taken and yet there isn't any official word about what is being done with it or whether we will have any input in to how it is spent.

I totally agree with you mate. And so does Brent. But there's nothing him or I can do about it without him being kicked off, and that ain't helping anyone.

Brent is presently securing an email address that will allow you to directly send your queries to ACC themselves. This is being arranged with the coordinator in charge of the programme. Any enquiries deemed worthy of response will be directly to the appropriate people.

This is Brent at work for you right now. Watch this space Monday for the email.

[MSTRS:Me]

Even an 'official statement' from the panel would help.

You know..."We acknowledge your concerns re the fund. We are currently investigating the options available to us, for the best use of these monies on your behalf. Further statements will follow when we have something to report."
Tells us nothing, of course, but we know that now...

The average, ordinary motorcyclist is running out of patience with the deafening silence. S/he may not care about their individual $30, but s/he does know who is in charge of 'spending it' and s/he wants to know what is happening.

[Katman]

The average, ordinary motorcyclist is running out of patience with the deafening silence. S/he may not care about their individual $30, but s/he does know who is in charge of 'spending it' and s/he wants to know what is happening.

We've comfortably sat back for decades and allowed clowns to bring motorcycling to the point it is now.

It's not unreasonable to be expected to wait a few months for something concrete to be announced to us.

[Kickaha]

It's not unreasonable to be expected to wait a few months for something concrete to be announced to us.

Yes it is I want to know NOW

[MSTRS:Me]

The $30 has been collected since July 1st.
I know the Mcsac has not long been 'empanelled', but surely we can be told something?
Perhaps an official 'Stop riding like cocks, and your levies will go down. We're working on ways to convince you.' from the panel - that would make you happy too.

[Katman]

Perhaps an official 'Stop riding like cocks, and your levies will go down. We're working on ways to convince you.' from the panel - that would make you happy too.

They'd just be labelled as Katman clones.

(But yes, it would make me ecstatic).

[Smifffy]

The $30 has been collected since July 1st.
I know the Mcsac has not long been 'empanelled', but surely we can be told something?
Perhaps an official 'Stop riding like cocks, and your levies will go down. We're working on ways to convince you.' from the panel - that would make you happy too.

I can't see the levies ever going down.

[Katman]

I can't see the levies ever going down.

If we got our shit together and stopped falling off so often we could hit them with some unrefutable ammo.

The ball's in our court.

[riffer]

If we got our shit together and stopped falling off so often we could hit them with some unrefutable ammo.

The ball's in our court.

I'd love to think so dude. But I fear Smiffy's pessimistic outlook couldn't be truer with this Government. Many times of late I've pondered the possibility of another 6,000 bikes this time on Parliament steps.

[ynot slow]

Agree with Katman(did I mean to)about not falling off,I don't know ANYONE who goes out to fall off whilst riding.Buuuuut shit happens,and either it's riders fault or not,and THAT part(fault)is hard to determine,biker will say "you didn't stop(and biker maybe speeding)" other crash victim will say"didn't see you" sounds familiar eh?

Off hand I do wonder how many "didn't see you" excuse comes from the fact the other road user looked both ways,nothing coming,and thought road was clear and pulls out into bike,who appears from nowhere(and maybe at speed).Our own worst enemy maybe.

And from a personal point a few weeks ago heading home a guy in an SS Commode(ore)went passed me at 130plus(I was doing 120ish)so I sat behind him (2 second rule etc)at speeds I was happy with,but the thing pissing me off was the times his car crossed the centre line on right hand bends,while I was well inside mine.Followed him for approx 130km on main highway and provision highway.

So maybe this levy can be used educating all road users about all road traffic,emphasising car drivers about bikes,i.e they (riders)may wear dark clothes,hard to see(not with lights on,but with cars having day lights negates that),can accelerate quicker than most cars and one minute not in view,next beside car,use the bloody mirrors-not inside but both wing mirrors(even make reversing via wing mirrors part of driving test).

[oldrider]

So what are your ideas on reducing the motorcycle road toll?

Hate to admit it, But Katman has said multiple times that it is up to us to reduce the accident rate of motorcyclists. We need to take responsibilty for our own actions.

So personally I am going to be taking the most practical steps to avoid joining the statistics.

P.S. I still hate the fact that Katman puts his message out there at the wrong time or wrong thread.

I think what annoys most of us is the fact that Katman is right!

The only thing (in this equation) that we as individuals control, is our own behaviour!

Physician heal thy self. Ride in a manner that earns us the respect of our detractors!

It won't be easy and it will take time but it is (currently) our only choice!

[NONONO]

Katman is right? What bollix.
The numbers where rigged from the start, the stats where much more than shonky they where absolute lies.
What bloody difference will it make to this government how we ride, or how well we look after ourselves, if what they want is revenue to prop up their nonsense about preparing ACC for sale?
Talk about naive.

FFS! Head out of arse.
Stop allowing this one man moralistic, keep Katman in the headlines show to divert us from the real issue.
We, and the NZ public were lied to (still being lied to) to divert attention away from the real reason for the hikes...bye bye ACC. Hello private insurance and the litagation that goes with it.
Katman...Bah!