Police killing us again!

[Smifffy]

Hmmm...in your OPINION maybe...

i.e. in Coroners Court etc 'negative' means there wasn't any, zilch, nadda, none, zero.

Any reading/level at all ? - the figures are quoted.

I've never heard of "..gave a negative reading of 385..."

I suggest you re-read, carefully, the last sentence of what you quoted.

Or are you just that ready for an argument that you argue against someone that agrees with you?

[scracha]

Also interesting that, as quoted in the story;

"An expert engineering consultant estimated Mr Brown was travelling between 135 and 155kmh before he hit his brakes."

The upper limit of this speed is very close to the speed check of 154 km/h that was the cause of this U turn.

Could it be possible both vehicles were racing?

Anything is possible. A large motorcycle racing a diesel bunta or whatever the hell the ute was, seems improbable. The ute doing 154 seems improbably. Regardless of the speed, the cop clearly pulled a U in a damn stupid place. Anybody who has driven on that road knows this. Misguided comments like yours get my SO ANGRY

As for this so called "expert engineering consultant", aside from sheer incompetence level, I'd question how impartial he is.

• Who chooses which engineering consultant gets this job?
• Who pays for the majority of this consultant's work?

`I can tell you as a FACT that when a bike is in an accident, there's normally far too many variables** to even REMOTELY accurately estimate the speed it was going, based solely on where it ended up. How the fuck he can estimate the speed the bike was going at BEFORE it braked is a real effort. Any so called consultant who states otherwise in court is a damn liar.

** JUST FOR STARTERS
When did he start braking ?
Did he brake "properly"?
Did he continue braking?
Was the bike partly leaned over?
What was coefficient of friction on the road?
What was the drag coefficient of the bike with rider sat up?
What was the drag coefficient of the bike with the rider in a "racing" crouch?
What was the drag coefficient of the bike without rider?
What part of the road was he on?
What was the temperature of road?
What was the temperature of tyre?
How was his suspension adjusted?
How were his tyres inflated?
Where was he positioned on the bike?
Where exactly (if at all) did the bike "fall over"?
What was the coefficient of friction when the bike was on its side?
What was the coefficient of friction when the bike was on its side after it flipped over?
How many times did it flip over?
Did it "bounce" and lose contact with the road?
What was the coefficient of friction when the bike was on its side and it's fairing had ground down?

[Katman]

** JUST FOR STARTERS
When did he start braking ?
Did he brake "properly"?
Did he continue braking?
Was the bike partly leaned over?
What was coefficient of friction on the road?
What was the drag coefficient of the bike with rider sat up?
What was the drag coefficient of the bike with the rider in a "racing" crouch?
What was the drag coefficient of the bike without rider?
What part of the road was he on?
What was the temperature of road?
What was the temperature of tyre?
How was his suspension adjusted?
How were his tyres inflated?
Where was he positioned on the bike?
Where exactly (if at all) did the bike "fall over"?
What was the coefficient of friction when the bike was on its side?
What was the coefficient of friction when the bike was on its side after it flipped over?
How many times did it flip over?
Did it "bounce" and lose contact with the road?
What was the coefficient of friction when the bike was on its side and it's fairing had ground down?

Phew!!! You must have run out of straws to clutch after that mouthful.

[Smifffy]

I'm confident that Justice Goddard has appraised the situation fairly and appropriately.

There will always be those in the force that believe that every officer is beyond reproach.

Like the fascist bully boy in the wild west that reckons 8 people are all lying.

[idb]

kill the cop aswell get that cunt of our roads and the rest of them 4 wheeled cunts

And cocks...they should keep cocks off the road as well...eh cock?

[Chancebmx25]

And cocks...they should keep cocks off the road as well...eh cock?

apologies didnt mean it like that. just hate it when a fellow biker dies

[idb]

apologies didnt mean it like that. just hate it when a fellow biker dies

Ok, cheers

[trustme]

Phew!!! You must have run out of straws to clutch after that mouthful.

+1 have not had such a good laugh in ages.

I don't think the officer is beyond reproach, far from it. I also suspect that the 2 other parties involved in this mess are far from blameless.

[scracha]

+1 have not had such a good laugh in ages.

Hardly a funny incident if you ask me. The only thing I'm laughing about is that most of you are so apathetic about anything that doesn't affect you directly. You're quite content to believe the lies and statistics the government controlled media in this country feeds you.
Of course these nasty horrible bikers are all speedign and riding like arseholes.
Of courise it was their fault.
Of course it couldn't be the nice policeman's fault.
Speed kills, if you speed you deserve to die.
Happy happy Kiwi's, New Zealand is nirvana and the rest of the world is wrong.

Newsflash for you, Katman and your ilk :- they'll come for you soon enough but nobody else will be around to help you.

[trustme]

Just what the world needs , another conspiracy theorist. We never landed on the moon, the CIA blew up the twin towers, it's all a govt plot through govt controlled media. I never realised Rupert Murdoch & Ted Turner were civil servants.

[Katman]

Hardly a funny incident if you ask me.

You're right, approaching a blind crest at a speed that gives you no hope of avoiding something in your path is certainly no joke.

You're so hung up on trying to apportion blame that you happily turn a blind eye to the concept of trying to maximise one's own safety.

Newsflash back at ya - if we continue down that path, motorcycles will be legislated off the roads before too much longer.

[MSTRS:Me]

Just what the world needs , another conspiracy theorist. We never landed on the moon, the CIA blew up the twin towers, it's all a govt plot through govt controlled media. I never realised Rupert Murdoch & Ted Turner were civil servants.

Actually, he's not far off course...
Who gets quoted in the media when things like this happen?
A senior police officer...yes
A serious crash investigator...yes
An expert engineering consultant...yes
An independent witness (if one exists, of course)...no

And what sort of things do they say?
The green ute was speeding at 154kph.
The bike had to have been speeding, and was doing between 135 and 155kph
The bike was racing the ute
The bike could have stopped in time if he'd been doing under 101kph (very convenient speed, eh?)
The officer had no alcohol in his system
The biker showed a positive return for alcohol, but under the legal limit.

Now, some of the above is conjecture, some of it is no doubt true. The picture such utterings paint is of a naughty ute driver, a naughty biker and a policeman just doing his job. What it amounts to is trial by media, presenting the public with a finding that speed and alcohol were the cause of the fatality, and the cop had little part to play in it.

A conspiracy theorist could be excused for seeing this as just another piece of propaganda by the police, enabled by the media.
A realist would see a guilty person (the cop, backed by the system) doing everything possible to point the guilt elsewhere.

[Katman]

Who gets quoted in the media when things like this happen?

And there's the problem John.

While we continue to refuse to confront the number of avoidable motorcycle accidents the public will continue to be fed evidence of our culpability in those very accidents.

[FJRider]

And there's the problem John.

While we continue to refuse to confront the number of avoidable motorcycle accidents the public will continue to be fed evidence of our culpability in those very accidents.

Perhaps we focus on "avoidable" car accidents ... and get THEIR ACC levies hiked up ...

[StoneY]

Been biting my tongue on this one.

I stated on a Radio Interview 'Paul was likely coming over that crest at around 100k's, and didn't stand a chance to avoid the police car'

I was asked how I would know what speed he was doing.
I have no idea to be honest but fact is, even at the legal speed limit, I doubt he was going to survive.
It matters not how he rode. The limit at that crest is 100, and at 100k's he would still have hit that police car.

I usually try give our hard working rozzers the benefit of the doubt, I always cooperate with them as much as I can, in this case, sorry, cop was in the wrong end of story and no blame can be apportioned to the rider whatsoever no matter what his speed or experience.

Good to see this 'driver' was charged as anyone else doing the same action would have been