Climate change or global warming and who did it?

[Edbear]

Gets my vote....certainly would cut down on all kinds of compliance costs for a start
You forgot bicycles.

Me and the Missus are going to buy a couple of Bicycles as soon as my Physiotherapist okays it for me. But new homes? I reckon the log homes I've seen would be very environmentally sound and sustainable as they can be built of renewable trees, can be built without nails, etc.

[Jantar]

Gets my vote....certainly would cut down on all kinds of compliance costs for a start
You forgot bicycles.

Sorry, but making the steel for the bicycle frames releases CO2, as does the manufacture of the tyes.

[Jantar]

Me and the Missus are going to buy a couple of Bicycles as soon as my Physiotherapist okays it for me. But new homes? I reckon the log homes I've seen would be very environmentally sound and sustainable as they can be built of renewable trees, can be built without nails, etc.

But the building regs require concrete foundations, and insulated walls and ceilings, all of which release CO2 in the manufacture.

[Edbear]

Sorry, but making the steel for the bicycle frames releases CO2, as does the manufacture of the tyes.

But, but, horses are dangerous, people fall off them and hurt themselves!

[oneofsix]

But, but, horses are dangerous, people fall off them and hurt themselves!

and they produce methane ... or is that mythane?

[ellipsis]

...im very sorry...everyone...I think that this is all my doing...I use a logburner that is not really up to the standard they want and I cooked most of our food on a 44 gallon drum bbq for years...really, really sorry for all the shit Ive caused...

[mashman]

Breathing releases CO2

[Edbear]

Breathing releases CO2

So there ya go! Just stop everybody breathing and the world will be safe...

If everyone stops breathing and farting there's no problem! Why didn't anyone think of this years ago???

[mashman]

So there ya go! Just stop everybody breathing and the world will be safe...

If everyone stops breathing and farting there's no problem! Why didn't anyone think of this years ago???

I'm sure that there are idiots in high places contemplating such a "solution"

, tis probably hard to pass wind with your head up your ass. (edit) would probably solve the breathing problem too

[Edbear]

...im very sorry...everyone...I think that this is all my doing...I use a logburner that is not really up to the standard they want and I cooked most of our food on a 44 gallon drum bbq for years...really, really sorry for all the shit Ive caused...

I found this interesting, maybe Mankind has more of an effect than we think?

http://www.scienceprogress.org/2008/...-dying-oceans/

"Ice core record measurements of carbon dioxide taken mid-century showed that atmospheric concentrations had remained about constant for several thousand years until the rapid onset of industrialization during the 1800s, after which they began their meteoric rise."

“So what?” you may ask. Why should I care about this when other climate-induced phenomena like heat waves and droughts seem much more urgent? Diminishing the ocean’s capacity to absorb CO2 is no small problem in itself, because without the ocean serving as a carbon sink, more carbon dioxide will have no where to go but into the atmosphere. But aside from that, what worries scientists most about ocean acidification is that it will inhibit certain organisms’ ability to produce calcium carbonate shells—to the extent that they would have great difficulty growing. And not just any organisms: those, like phytoplankton, which support entire food webs by acting as the ocean’s primary producers (like plants in terrestrial ecosystems). Without them—or with their numbers greatly reduced—many populations and ecosystems could simply collapse."

[Pwalo]

I found this interesting, maybe Mankind has more of an effect than we think?

http://www.scienceprogress.org/2008/...-dying-oceans/

"Ice core record measurements of carbon dioxide taken mid-century showed that atmospheric concentrations had remained about constant for several thousand years until the rapid onset of industrialization during the 1800s, after which they began their meteoric rise."

“So what?” you may ask. Why should I care about this when other climate-induced phenomena like heat waves and droughts seem much more urgent? Diminishing the ocean’s capacity to absorb CO2 is no small problem in itself, because without the ocean serving as a carbon sink, more carbon dioxide will have no where to go but into the atmosphere. But aside from that, what worries scientists most about ocean acidification is that it will inhibit certain organisms’ ability to produce calcium carbonate shells—to the extent that they would have great difficulty growing. And not just any organisms: those, like phytoplankton, which support entire food webs by acting as the ocean’s primary producers (like plants in terrestrial ecosystems). Without them—or with their numbers greatly reduced—many populations and ecosystems could simply collapse."

So obviously the earlier occurences of global warming don't back up the idea that global warming is caused by CO2, or by man. Glad that's sorted then.

[Edbear]

So obviously the earlier occurences of global warming don't back up the idea that global warming is caused by CO2, or by man. Glad that's sorted then.

I think the point is more that Man's contribution is greater than we'd like to think. I found this link while researching the oceans. It is no secret that Man is destroying the environment faster than it can recover and the oceans in particular are dying faster than anyone cares to admit, mainly because of pollution.

Global warming may be a periodic event in itself, but now it's seriously affecting us as a species and combined with pollution threatens our very survival.

[Woodman]

Global warming may be a periodic event in itself, but now it's seriously affecting us as a species and combined with pollution threatens our very survival.

Then we are not meant to be here.
Any species that shits in their own nest is obviously too stupid to deserve to survive.

[Metastable]

Too long to read the whole thread, but I will say this much:

If one doesn't believe in Global warming is attributed to greenhouse gases etc.... fine.

However, would you agree that we need to control global pollution and population increase, because (and I do think one would agree) we can't keep it going at the rate it is now!!!

I took a plane ride a couple of years ago from Toronto to Charlotte, NC. It was a clear day.....well sort of .... I saw SMOG THE ENTIRE TRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that can't be good for humans or the planet regardless of whether it is causing global warming.

One thing the wife and I really enjoyed about NZ was how your colours were so BRIGHT... the sky was blue and the trees in the distance were vibrant green and everything looked clear! In many parts of the world, things just look hazy.

Global warming or no.... that's just not right!

[oneofsix]

Too long to read the whole thread, but I will say this much:

If one doesn't believe in Global warming is attributed to greenhouse gases etc.... fine.

However, would you agree that we need to control global pollution and population increase, because (and I do think one would agree) we can't keep it going at the rate it is now!!!

I took a plane ride a couple of years ago from Toronto to Charlotte, NC. It was a clear day.....well sort of .... I saw SMOG THE ENTIRE TRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that can't be good for humans or the planet regardless of whether it is causing global warming.

One thing the wife and I really enjoyed about NZ was how your colours were so BRIGHT... the sky was blue and the trees in the distance were vibrant green and everything looked clear! In many parts of the world, things just look hazy.

Global warming or no.... that's just not right!

I for one don't believe all the hype around global warming. I'm still skeptical, sitting on the fence if you prefer, as there has been too much bullshit.
I do agree the pollution must be reduced and this is one of my issues with global warming. By focusing on carbons and greenhouse gases which somehow all come back to carbons, the believers are willing to increase other pollutants, like mercury and lead. So instead of contributing possibly 1% to the planets carbon emissions we are meant to accept directly poisoning the planet with non-greenhouse pollutants.