MNZ board nominations

[Billy]

if they aren't within the 115% threshold then should they be racing at a nationals event ?

no clubmans = more track time for your 'premiere classes' marcus. thought you would be in to that.

who tagged pro twins=fail ? funny considering there were just as many entries at some rounds as superstock, maybe 1 less than superlite and 125gp, and more than one class also

tag fail lol

Fully agree mate,

How can the 115% rule work properly when youve got 2 classes running in the same race anyway.

There was only one class that failed and it was selfinflicted,Be my guest and add a tag LOL

[scrivy]

Im going to be a bit more specific. Chris, Scrivy & myself split the carnet 3 ways, it was nearly 40 thousand dollars. (hidden agenda im sure) Just wanted to see other people out racing.
It was the best race meeting most of us had ever attended & I would do it again, even if it did clash with a National round, & whats so special about them anyway?

What????????????? I thought you wanted my $13,000 for your Heinekens in Aussie???!!

[scrivy]

There's another bit of gossip too
What's the facts with this one, some people have said a whole lot of shit and gone all quiet.????

Where's the shit Spyda??
Why do you think it was shit........... because your 'side' said so??
I guess everything we say is shit then eh..............

Oh look........... it was true afterall................

[Biggles08]

Yes, just like what I said.

What I think people are misguided about is the speed difference. A top level F4 bike would CREAM a 150 s/s and reguarly do.

Fair points I guess, I have never thought that though for the record.

As you were, I aint gonna bite Mercus as I have already voted....

haha...Mercus....and another name! Good to hear you have done your own research and voted Str8 Jacket. We need more of this.

Not sure what you were meant to be 'biting' on however...it was merely how I see it, that is all.

[Biggles08]

if they aren't within the 115% threshold then should they be racing at a nationals event ?

I don't see why not...however, I agree they should not be riding in the class if they are not within 115% of the leader. Remember Deano, the Nats has a far faster 'field' than club racing so a decent club rider may not make the cut at national level. I don't see why they shouldn't get a ride though since they are supporting the event etc if time allows. I guess what my point is can we consolidate all the classes as best we can to maximize track time for the 'premier classes'.

no clubmans = more track time for your 'premiere classes' marcus. thought you would be in to that.

I'm into getting more track time of course, but I have never suggested this should be at the expense of a legitimate class. The questions I was asking in another thread was "Are there too many classes at Nationals?" I guess the debate is whether clubmans is a legitimate class at Nationals, in fact the debate is about many classes for this reason. The only reason I can see for clubmans is to accommodate those that don't make the cut in their respective classes. I personally think this is a good enough reason, but many may disagree and that's fine.

[scrivy]

greetings all .
Tim Edmonds here from Trentham. in process of getting license so will hopefully be able to vote, interested to read prievious 75 pages , will have questions as dont know either side, i can be reached at timedmonds44 @gmail as i have got the message that who one is is important

The best advice I could offer you Tim would be to have a good think about the sport and the current administration and how detrimental it has been to the sport. MNZ has had clubs pull their affilliation, with more seriously thinking about it in the near future.

Then look at what the other candidate Chris Lawrance has to offer:
Honesty,
Respectability,
Non-aggressive manner,
Communication,
Approachable,
No enemies in our sport,
For all facets of our sport,
Non biased,
No hidden agendas,
Transparency,
Never been denied access to a race meeting,
Never banned from MNZ offices,
Never been investigated by the police,
No double standards,
No conflicts of interest,
No fabrication of profitability.

Then I guess you need to factor in that being President of MNZ is not just about roadracing or dealing with competitors and clubs, its a much larger job than most of us realise. And the incumbant must have no anger management issues either.

Do you think both candidates can go the distance?
Chris can tick all of the above boxes.
Jim unfortunately can't. And if you look at the items above, Jim has failed some extremely serious issues already. Leopards don't change their spots, and he will only continue to wreak havoc for MNZ - that is not a good thing!

Hope this helps you Tim.

Scrivy

[Str8 Jacket]

Not sure what you were meant to be 'biting' on however...it was merely how I see it, that is all.

lol, I was referring to the way the thread has gone up to now. Ya know the "my opinion is RIGHT, yours is WRONG' type of biting.....

[Deano]

Remember Deano, the Nats has a far faster 'field' than club racing so a decent club rider may not make the cut at national level.

generally but not necessarily so mucus

fields are faster but in actual fact, any decent club rider should make 115%. the threshold for supersport was only 1.17s, superlite, 1.25s

[slowpoke]

The National Champs should be an example of the best of the best in all classes. Hence I'd suggest Clubmans either run there bike in the relevant class or maybe volunteer to help out if they dont think they will be fast enough.

If you want "all classes" to run you'd better be prepared for Motards <450, motards >450, post classic junior, post classic senior, and the half a dozen classic classes to rock up too. And don't forget the BEARS bikes which also break up into a few classes......how long did you plan on each meeting taking? Based on your "all classes" logic I'd say anything less than a week would be a struggle. Oops, don't forget the sidecars too....(couldn't resist)

OK, I'm pulling your pisser. But seriously what would be the point of a "new" class? Each of the existing Nationals classes meets a specific need within the sport: Prolite = low cost starter/feeder class, F3/Superlite = open engineering for the creative types, Protwins = low cost middleweight stepping stone, GP125 for a pure GP experience etc etc right on up to 200hp monsters ridden by blokes who could qualify for WSBK. So what opportunity or need would F4/5 create that isn't already met by the Prolites class?

Yes IMO clubmans has no place at the nationals, never has and never will.

Here's the thing: the Nationals meetings are run by Clubs not MNZ. So Manwatu-Orion or Vic Club etc are investing/risking the clubs time, personnel and money to put on the event. As a result I think as many Club racers as possible should have the opportunity to participate in what is literally their event[....otherwise why should the club bother? What do they get out of it, they don't make any money. But I don't think the average club racer who may only race 3/4 times a year and never buys new tyres should be forced to compete against what may world class racers. Often we are battling to pay for said tyres and no-one is gonna front up with an entry fee if there's a risk they can't qualify.

Sorry, racing fellow part timers at 120kph in F4/5 where tyres etc last a season is one thing, but "competing" against factory supported sometimes professional racers who could qualify for a WSBK or WSS grid at over 270kph is a challenge of completely different proportions, technically, mentally, and financially.

And FWIW - the last 2 TRRS's have had over 40 bikes on the grid which made for much better spectating than the handful of bikes in the 'premier class'.....

No offence Hel's but being an F4/5 racer you're not exactly unbiased, lol. Taupo is a much better venue for you guys 'cos you run the short "go kart" track, which as you know is a lot different to boring Manfeild, or HD where the throttle literally wouldn't leave the stop from the hairpin right round to turn 2, over half a lap.

For what it's worth I can remember a plain ol' track day at Taupo a few (too many)years ago when Stroudy showed up late (typical), and 90% of the other racers/spectators etc headed for the pit wall to watch him arc it up in a way few people can.....and he wasn't even racing anyone. The F4/5 battles have an appeal all their own, their own skillset, and look heaps of fun, but sheer numbers doesn't correspond to compelling viewing on a full track. Kaitoke? Now that's a different matter.

[Str8 Jacket]

No offence Hel's but being an F4/5 racer you're not exactly unbiased, lol. Taupo is a much better venue for you guys 'cos you run the short "go kart" track, which as you know is a lot different to boring Manfeild, or HD where the throttle literally wouldn't leave the stop from the hairpin right round to turn 2, over half a lap.

No offence taken as I too would like to race a 'real bike' one day however I must point out that the bike that Ken Jones was riding at Manfeild was/is a legal bucket and he was going much faster than most other riders till his bike crapped out. Ever tried wringing the tits of a small bike? Do you think that you'd really have the balls to go round the track without touching that brake lever?

I am sorry but it *was* boring watching a handful of premier bikes going round in circles where as with a full class you have battles going on all over the place.

IMO it really doesn't matter what class is out there but lets get the grids full!

[slowpoke]

want me to nominate you next year ?

want me to punch you in the face?

Haha, best comeback I've read on this thread!

[CHOPPA]

I personally think that superstock should be running a control/shit tyre so there is a clear difference between the gravy class. This would also increase tyre life so fewer tyres could be used and it also defines the classes.

In oz the superstock have to run essentially road tyres, they are only allowed I think 1 set per meeting but it slows them down and makes it cheaper but doesnt dilute the racing. The stock classes are thriving over there

[slowpoke]

Ever tried wringing the tits of a small bike? Do you think that you'd really have the balls to go round the track without touching that brake lever?

Faaark, no! I love my brake lever , we have a very close relationship.......just wish I could say the same for that naughty throttle, which consistently refuses to do what I want it to do......baaaaaad throttle

Balls? You've seen me at the track, you know that area is the baggiest/emptiest part of my leathers....don't tell me you haven't checked it out

IMO it really doesn't matter what class is out there but lets get the grids full!

I'll drink to that...or will when I get out of this joint, red cordial just doesn't do the job.

[Str8 Jacket]

I'll drink to that...or will when I get out of this joint, red cordial just doesn't do the job.

Man and here I was thinking that we could have a bitch fight!!

[sidecar bob]

I personally think that superstock should be running a control/shit tyre so there is a clear difference between the gravy class. This would also increase tyre life so fewer tyres could be used and it also defines the classes.

In oz the superstock have to run essentially road tyres, they are only allowed I think 1 set per meeting but it slows them down and makes it cheaper but doesnt dilute the racing. The stock classes are thriving over there

I rekon they should also run stock suspension with settings done by another competitor chosen at random from the same class. That should fill the stands with spectators.