Increase the CC bracket for rego to "0->650cc"

[SMOKEU]

It's a well known fact that a 650cc bike is more dangerous than a 600cc bike, just like a 60hp diesel car is more dangerous than a 400hp petrol car. It must be true because the government told me so. The government would never lie to me, would they?

[JimO]

So you'd rather throw badly injured people on the scrapheap then? Never forget that ACC is a profitable business that is one of the biggest investors in other large NZ businesses.

I can't believe you'd pick an "mate's" individual issue to try and demonstrate some imagined flaw in the ACC system. There isn't one that can't immediately be rendered minor by simply looking across the ditch at Australia's medical system. Go a bit further afield and the US system should put the utter shits up you. But no. You'd rather whinge about what your "mate" cost to fix. You qualify for that care and would get it if you need it. Horse people cost more to fix each on average than motorcyclists. The bill for Mountain Bikers is growing ever bigger, and DIYers are now estimated to cost ACC 750 million a year (up from 560 million 2 years ago) and you still can't understand that the average non-motorcyclist DIYer/home accident simply doesn't come close the level of contribution motorcyclists are forced to pay and yet qualifies for the same level of support?

Despite all this imagined "drain" on the taxpayer, ACC is STILL profitable as was repeatedly demonstrated by larger brains than mine including Government experts. Just not the politicians trying (and succeeding by looks of your rigidly deluded posts) to paint of picture of a destitute insurance business (which ACC has never ever been) needing to be sold in National's great state asset fire sale announced in this year's budget.

Where's the motorcycle protest group press releases yelling "We told you there was a master plan!"?

Hmmm?

was just sayin thats all

[neels]

It's a well known fact that a 650cc bike is more dangerous than a 600cc bike, just like a 60hp diesel car is more dangerous than a 400hp petrol car. It must be true because the government told me so. The government would never lie to me, would they?

No, they just don't get their tax at the pump for the diesel so screw you on rego instead.

On a complete tangent, I refuse to believe the government give a shit about the environment when they rego and RUC small super efficient diesels to the point that they aren't viable to own, kinda fucked when we import all our fuel.

[SMOKEU]

No, they just don't get their tax at the pump for the diesel so screw you on rego instead.

On a complete tangent, I refuse to believe the government give a shit about the environment when they rego and RUC small super efficient diesels to the point that they aren't viable to own, kinda fucked when we import all our fuel.

That's what RUCs are for. If you have a close look, you'll see that the ACC levy is higher on small diesel vehicles than on petrol vehicles. This must mean that somehow slow, old diesels are more dangerous than high performance petrol vehicles.

On another note, apparently diesel vans are more dangerous than a 1000cc sports bike. Have a look at the licensing fees on that http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/regi...sing/fees.html

Any argument that the government has regarding vehicle safety and licensing fees is bullshit. Pay close attention to the "Goods truck/van/utility Private passenger Non-petrol driven - 1-3500kg GVM" and compare that to the "Motorcycle Petrol driven - 601cc and over".

The government was complaining that other road users have to subsidize the cost of motorbike riders binning it, so where is the justification that a private non petrol driven goods truck/van/utility should be taxed higher than a high performance car or bike?

[MSTRS:Me]

That's what RUCs are for. If you have a close look, you'll see that the ACC levy is higher on small diesel vehicles than on petrol vehicles. This must mean that somehow slow, old diesels are more dangerous than high performance petrol vehicles.

No no no ...
The cost of petrol includes an RUC component and also an ACC component of 9.9c/l. Diesel has no such taxes at source, which is why they're levied as separate items.
The average petrol-driven car incurs around $200pa ACC levy on fuel use alone. Add that to it's ACC levy part on it's rego - you're now at around the same level as a diesel pays on rego alone.

Your +600cc motorcycle stills pays more than a diesel...because of the petrol component.

[SMOKEU]

No no no ...
The cost of petrol includes an RUC component and also an ACC component of 9.9c/l. Diesel has no such taxes at source, which is why they're levied as separate items.
The average petrol-driven car incurs around $200pa ACC levy on fuel use alone. Add that to it's ACC levy part on it's rego - you're now at around the same level as a diesel pays on rego alone.

Your +600cc motorcycle stills pays more than a diesel...because of the petrol component.

Whenever you buy a vehicle licence, you know that small sheet it comes on that shows you where all the funds are going? Diesels have a very high ACC levy as part of the licensing fees. I am still yet to see why diesels are more dangerous than petrol models in general.

It's like saying that a big bore Harley is faster than an R1 just because the engine is slightly bigger.

[MSTRS:Me]

Whenever you buy a vehicle licence, you know that small sheet it comes on that shows you where all the funds are going? Diesels have a very high ACC levy as part of the licensing fees. I am still yet to see why diesels are more dangerous than petrol models in general.

It's like saying that a big bore Harley is faster than an R1 just because the engine is slightly bigger.

Comprehension isn't your strong point, eh? I know what you are trying to say, but it's not right.
I don't claim to know all the answers, but I'm looking at a car relicencing form right now, and the ACC levy is $198.46. If I add $200 (approx annual ACC petrol tax) I come up with $398.46. Which is getting close to what a diesel will be paying on it's rego. Don't forget the 15% GST on top.

[Oblivion]

Whenever you buy a vehicle licence, you know that small sheet it comes on that shows you where all the funds are going? Diesels have a very high ACC levy as part of the licensing fees. I am still yet to see why diesels are more dangerous than petrol models in general.

It's like saying that a big bore Harley is faster than an R1 just because the engine is slightly bigger.

I think the point that the government is trying to make is the fact that most diesel vehicles are 4WD/Trucks/Utes.....And since these vehicles have a high center of gravity more likely to roll, etc.

[SMOKEU]

I think the point that the government is trying to make is the fact that most diesel vehicles are 4WD/Trucks/Utes.....And since these vehicles have a high center of gravity more likely to roll, etc.

That's exactly the same as saying "All 1000cc bikes are faster than 600cc bikes".

The government really needs to sort their shit out and realise that not everything is black and white as they would like us to believe. They (politicians) basically put shit like this in the "too hard basket" and instead of putting some thought into it, they seem to all put their own idea on a piece of paper and pull it out of a hat like a raffle.

[JimO]

I think the point that the government is trying to make is the fact that most diesel vehicles are 4WD/Trucks/Utes.....And since these vehicles have a high center of gravity more likely to roll, etc.

i have owned and driven 4x4s since 1986 havnt tipped one over yet

[Oblivion]

That's exactly the same as saying "All 1000cc bikes are faster than 600cc bikes".

The government really needs to sort their shit out and realise that not everything is black and white as they would like us to believe. They (politicians) basically put shit like this in the "too hard basket" and instead of putting some thought into it, they seem to all put their own idea on a piece of paper and pull it out of a hat like a raffle.

And that's how they were elected ladies and gentlemen. Using the same methods as primary school children.

[HenryDorsetCase]

No, they just don't get their tax at the pump for the diesel so screw you on rego instead.

On a complete tangent, I refuse to believe the government give a shit about the environment when they rego and RUC small super efficient diesels to the point that they aren't viable to own, kinda fucked when we import all our fuel.

YES!!! 10 char

[javawocky]

...Now if some brightspark could actually work out a way to give them reason to care enough to pay attention we would be onto something.

Friday morning harbour bridge clip on fryup. Inbound lanes only.

[PrincessBandit]

I would love my 650 bandit to be in the "lower" bracket for rego.
Maybe if 650s were in the next one down maybe Balu wouldn't be selling his...