Should Katman shut the fuck up?

**avgas** · 4th May 2011, 15:45

Remember when we used to talk about motorbikes?

No me neither

**Katman** · 4th May 2011, 15:46

Originally Posted by MarkH

The accident in question was the fault of the car driver IMO, but I appreciate what Katman suggested and following his advice could save your life. Telling the injured rider it was his fault (both the rider and his pillion daughter went to hospital) is just being a cunt, but saying the sentence above is fine by me.

Here you go. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ek-in-hospital.

Care to point out where it is that I state that the accident was Terbang's fault?

**MSTRS:Me** · 4th May 2011, 15:57

Originally Posted by IdunBrokdItAgin

... but the general slant that is appearing on kiwibiker, towards any crash.

Just maybe, as someone suggested, since the ACC increases, a few more actually see that we are (or can be) our own worst enemy. Most of us don't like paying more than we have to, and when a charge increases we don't like it. Perhaps there is a growing resentment towards those that contribute to the extra costs, when a little care on their part could have avoided that contribution altogether?
KM did bring this up some years ago. Long before 11/9...

Originally Posted by IdunBrokdItAgin

When you have a crash you go through various stages (disbeleif, denial etc) all the way through to acceptance, but the last thing you need is someone forcing you from one stage to another before you are ready.

Not quite the same thing as dealing with news of your impeding death, or the death of a loved one.
Unless 'forced' to confront the entirety of a crash, what reason does a denier of own part have to actually accept they did have a part to play?

**jasonu** · 4th May 2011, 15:58

Originally Posted by Katman

Simple question really.

And yes, be aware it is a public poll.

It's time to draw a line in the sand.

I thought you already had stfu. Barely a peep from you in the last few weeks.

**StoneY** · 4th May 2011, 16:15

You have a valid message Katman, maybe sometimes its delivered a bit harshly, and like myself, you can be your own worst enemy at times.

I get where you are coming from a lot of the time and despite the past issues we have had I do not think you should STFU
I think KBers (me included) need to HTFU....

Bikers as a rule need to start taking ownership, but i still think we are largely being ripped off and unfairly targeted by this govt and other agencies therof....

My involvement with TPTB at this time is not as smooth (nor is it as cooperative) as some may think it is...........

**scissorhands** · 4th May 2011, 16:17

Katman needs to open his mouth more.

He gets to sit in his high chair firing off one liners at those willing to stick their head out and say stupid things.

He appears as a mystical creature guided by brevity and scorn.

What will loosen his tongue and end his quiet domination?

**BoristheBiter** · 4th May 2011, 16:23

Originally Posted by scissorhands

Katman needs to open his mouth more.

He gets to sit in his high chair firing off one liners at those willing to stick their head out and say stupid things.

He appears as a mystical creature guided by brevity and scorn.

What will loosen his tongue and end his quiet domination?

catnip ???

**MSTRS:Me** · 4th May 2011, 16:26

Originally Posted by StoneY

Bikers as a rule need to start taking ownership....

Yay! Another one gets it.

Originally Posted by StoneY

... but i still think we are largely being ripped off and unfairly targeted by this govt and other agencies therof....

Side issue. But there is enough truth hiding amongst their lies - truths that only we can change.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 4th May 2011, 16:33

Originally Posted by scissorhands

What will loosen his tongue and end his quiet domination?

Ecstasy!!!

**MSTRS:Me** · 4th May 2011, 16:35

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Ecstasy!!!

Some prefer to see blood, and would hate to see KM enjoying himself - so maybe a sharp knife??

**Usarka** · 4th May 2011, 16:36

The existance of this thread proves it's about ego and attention not about any desire to do good.

My answer: whatever.

**Maha** · 4th May 2011, 16:40

Originally Posted by scissorhands

What will loosen his tongue and end his quiet domination?

Removing your nose from his arse might help....

**PrincessBandit** · 4th May 2011, 16:57

Originally Posted by Spearfish

That sparks the debate that maybe us noobs shouldn't be on the road until we are at least as competent as a 6R or better.

I'm loathe to say it, but there may well be validity to that point. The whole thing with a bike L (and R for that matter) is that you cannot have someone with you when you're out on the road like a L car driver does. (Who, theoretically, is "in charge" of you while you drive).

If anyone wants to bemoan my saying this, even my brother (the esteemed Katman) told me recently that my initial riding on the road really showed that I shouldn't have actually been riding in a public arena such as the road in my early days. The reality was that although all my initial riding, on my bright shiny brand new GN250, was done early in the morning, around the block, when there were as few cars as possible out. It didn't make me instantly a good rider, or one with good judgement, or great handling skills. He and I rode together a couple of times (difficult to do regularly as we live in different parts of the country) and was rather unimpressed with some of the things i did - purely due to inexperience. He didn't ream me out, but did make it clear on what I needed to work on in order to make myslef less of a menace on the road.

So, while it's easy to say from hindsight (and with my full licence tucked away in my wallet for a couple of years now) that maybe there should be greater tuition etc. what ever you want to call it before people get out on the road, there could be some merit in it.
And it should actually be the same for drivers too. Despite the fact that legally a L is supposed to have a driver with them who has had their full for at least 2 years blah blah blah, how many flaunt their licence conditions regardless. If getting a licence was actually tougher then maybe there wouldn't be the need for so many licence restrictions?