General bitch (oops, I mean discussion) about bikers thread

[Edbear]

And that's my point Ed.

Even you seem to figure that there's a line between acceptable and unacceptable.

I'm just wondering out loud where that line lies when it comes to our behaviour on motorcycles.

I have always worked on the principle that attitude is the key. I can be very patient and forebearing of those who have the right attitude towards something. Someone observed once that attitude more than aptitude determines altitude. Certainly despite that there will be those who simply shouldn't be riding a bike regardless, but as a general rule it holds true.

So those who make mistakes without taking on the responsibility to learn from them and are blase' about them fall into the unacceptable category in my book. Those who ride the road as though on a race-track are also unacceptable.

I can recall several incidences on NZ roads where I came around a corner to be greeted with an obstacle such as a tractor and thinking to myself, "If I'd been travelling 10km/h faster..." The reason I wasn't going 10km/h faster, was simply because I was on a country road and driving accordingly, knowing that such a situation may well occur. So those who see a great "biking road" with great corners, undulating through the countryside and aim for "the zone" without considering the possibilities around the next corner, are "unacceptable" and if they crash as a result, it is an avoidable accident that needn't have happened.

[Katman]

I have always worked on the principle that attitude is the key. I can be very patient and forebearing of those who have the right attitude towards something. Someone observed once that attitude more than aptitude determines altitude. Certainly despite that there will be those who simply shouldn't be riding a bike regardless, but as a general rule it holds true.

So those who make mistakes without taking on the responsibility to learn from them and are blase' about them fall into the unacceptable category in my book. Those who ride the road as though on a race-track are also unacceptable.

I can recall several incidences on NZ roads where I came around a corner to be greeted with an obstacle such as a tractor and thinking to myself, "If I'd been travelling 10km/h faster..." The reason I wasn't going 10km/h faster, was simply because I was on a country road and driving accordingly, knowing that such a situation may well occur. So those who see a great "biking road" with great corners, undulating through the countryside and aim for "the zone" without considering the possibilities around the next corner, are "unacceptable" and if they crash as a result, it is an avoidable accident that needn't have happened.

Sorry Ed but that post is just too big to fit in my signature.

[Edbear]

Sorry Ed but that post is just too big to fit in my signature.

I've often said, "Why use one word when ten will do?"

[MSTRS:Me]

I've often said, "Why use one word when ten will do?"

So a longwinded explanation using big words as to why someone might be misguided is better than saying 'You're a cock'.

I'm suffering a little deja vu ...

[Edbear]

So a longwinded explanation using big words as to why someone might be misguided is better than saying 'You're a cock'.

I'm suffering a little deja vu ...

LOL!! It's called tactful delivery and is designed to gain the person's approval...

[MSTRS:Me]

LOL!! It's called tactful delivery and is designed to gain the person's approval...

R-i-g-h-t . . .

The theory is fine.

[ducatilover]

Very well said Edbear

[Edbear]

R-i-g-h-t . . .

The theory is fine.

Many people simply don't think. Many also simply don't understand and need to have things explained in a way that makes sense to them.

You'll see what I mean once you've been married as long as I have...

[MSTRS:Me]

Many people simply don't think. Many also simply don't understand and need to have things explained in a way that makes sense to them.

That's what I used to think. Until I 'met' some who were extra-determined to hold on to their ignorance.

You'll see what I mean once you've been married as long as I have...

Oooooh I knoooow...

[The Stranger:Me]

I keep hearing people say 'humans are only human and humans make mistakes - get over it'.

It begs the question, what is an honest/acceptable mistake?

Is wiping out on a corner at 180kph an honest/acceptable mistake?

Is fucking up a wheelstand and putting yourself in hospital an honest/acceptable mistake?

Is losing half the skin off your leg from wearing shorts when you fall off an honest/acceptable mistake?

I would classify something like a learner rider coming to grief from missing a gear change as an honest/acceptable mistake.

I can see it really is a distinction you genuinely do have a lot of trouble with as you rarely seem to consider this before blundering in.

So just to keep your bitching in perspective - how many have been in here looking for any sympathy for wearing FA gear? or screwing up a corner at 180 KPH or for that matter screwing up a wheelie?
How many do you honestly think don't realise that it's their own stupid fault?

[Katman]

I can see it really is a distinction you genuinely do have a lot of trouble with as you rarely seem to consider this before blundering in.

So just to keep your bitching in perspective - how many have been in here looking for any sympathy for wearing FA gear? or screwing up a corner at 180 KPH or for that matter screwing up a wheelie?
How many do you honestly think don't realise that it's their own stupid fault?

Try and keep up Noel.

The sympathy factor is only part of it.

[Ocean1]

I screwed up a wheelie last week.

I must be an evel cnut.

[Edbear]

I screwed up a wheelie last week.

I must be an evel cnut.

Depends.... Do you want sympathy or a spanking..?

[The Stranger:Me]

Try and keep up Noel.

The sympathy factor is only part of it.

Sure, but that's not really the point of my post either is it?
It's about human error vs stupidity i.e. the subject of your post.

But as usual, you'll choose to ignore inconvenient truths and duck and weave.

[Ocean1]

Depends.... Do you want sympathy or a spanking..?

Man you shoulda seen it, was hideous, at 100k the back wheel was a good foot off the ground and at least that off line.