Motorcycle Advisory Council launches new website and brand

[flyingcrocodile46]

>>Anyone who says their riding could not be better is an idiot.<<

Get fucked. Who wrote this? Kiwibiker?
I'm all for training if needed but there are many thousands of competent road riders who don't actually need to improve anything. It's not a racetrack as per the example cited.

From what I can see, the core posters on KB who are incessantly harping on about this issue have more than adequately verified their own idiocy a thousand times.

Quite frankly I'd rather be suspected to be an idiot through ignorance than be seen to have proven it beyond all doubt through self appointment as some form of moralistic crusading moron who constantly confirms their arrogance and abject stupidity by leveling abuse at the people whom they purport to be attempting to win around to their unrealistic thinking.

Reminds me of dipshits whose dogs run away, calling and calling the dogs only to smack them as soon as they return, because they were naughty for not returning as soon as they are called.

[Big Dave]

No the road isn't a racetrack, it's something a lot more dangerous

Totally agree.

But here's the thing.
Are you an idiot?

[flyingcrocodile46]

That, right there, is the attitude that lead to the shitfight/s in KM's poll thread and my Bitch about bikers thread.
The two sides are diametrically opposed.
Those that believe they have nothing to learn and no need to continually improve their riding skills.
And those that accept that no matter how good we think we are, we can always do better.

Only those who, after riding without incident all their lives, die of old age are qualified to state they had no need to improve.

You forgot to add that the most stupid people of all are often ("those that accept that no matter how good we think we are, we can always do better") and don't have the simple common sense to realise that those who have a different point of view are capable of making their own decisions and that they should bottle up their abundant arrogance and simply shut the fuck up. Either that or use a more effective approach by way of example and incentive rather than insults. Insults are for expressing frustration (your admission of ineptitude) or simply to smack down loudmouthed fuckheads like yourself who become so bloated with their self importance that they actually become more of a negative than the issues which they purport to champion.

[Big Dave]

Hmmm. Someone who drives a Benz because it has the best safety features says 'we're all idiots'.

[Kickaha]

Are you an idiot?

Frequently

[bogan]

Theres been enough on that issue in other threads recently, keep this one for the MSL/MSAC/MOTO NZ I reckon.

I'd like to see more transparency on the site, the rules that govern the group, etc. And it still reads as if they will be taking up projects that should (and currently do) come under ACC's general fund, again, some guidelines to make sure the MSL isn't just going to cover the same things ACC should/would anyway are needed. Site does looks snazzy, and what's on it reads well, but it's what is missing I'm worried about.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Theres been enough on that issue in other threads recently, keep this one for the MSL/MSAC/MOTO NZ I reckon.

I'd like to see more transparency on the site, the rules that govern the group, etc. And it still reads as if they will be taking up projects that should (and currently do) come under ACC's general fund, again, some guidelines to make sure the MSL isn't just going to cover the same things ACC should/would anyway are needed. Site does looks snazzy, and what's on it reads well, but it's what is missing I'm worried about.

Seems to me that they are going to be a whole lot better positioned (and funded) to make the sort of difference that other groups (Bronze Mag etc) would aspire to. Stoney has done well to recognise this and position himself to make the most of it. Did anyone from Mag take the 'action' of seizing this opportunity?

No point in asking about what is missing from that forum in this forum. The sorts of answers coming from here aren't going to be of any help. This place is like a fractured arsehole

[Big Dave]

Mildly entertaining though.

[bogan]

Seems to me that they are going to be a whole lot better positioned (and funded) to make the sort of difference that other groups (Bronze Mag etc) would aspire to. Stoney has done well to recognise this and position himself to make the most of it. Did anyone from Mag take the 'action' of seizing this opportunity?

We oppose it on the basis of discriminatory funding. The group is a good idea, but should be funded from the general pool as other safety initiatives (of which Bronz and Mag are already part of) are.

[Big Dave]

Frequently

I'm squirreling that away like Jrandom stores comebacks.

[p.dath]

>>Anyone who says their riding could not be better is an idiot.<<

Get fucked. Who wrote this? Kiwibiker?
I'm all for training if needed but there are many thousands of competent road riders who don't actually need to improve anything. It's not a racetrack as per the example cited.

I guess it comes down to an issue of personal beliefs.

For me, obtaining the minimum level of training required to meet the standard of "competent" is a sad state of affairs. Merely being competent enough to avoid killing or injuring yourself does not make you "good".

Long ago the population lived in caves and huts. The population generally strides to improve itself, and now we have houses with power, electricity and running water.
If the attitude of "competent" was applied - the belief you only need to reach high enough to just manage what you need to do, we would still be living in huts and caves and no better off.

So for me personally, I will always strive to improve my riding (and life in general), and wont accept "competent" as being an acceptable level.

[Big Dave]

Yes - it depends on your definition of competent. Mine is stated in #30 for motorcycling.

Edit: you know, there are also many things at which I am happy to be merely competent in the 'ordinary' sense. 10 pin bowling and juggling for examples.

[BMWST?]

>>Anyone who says their riding could not be better is an idiot.<<

Get fucked. Who wrote this? Kiwibiker?
I'm all for training if needed but there are many thousands of competent road riders who don't actually need to improve anything. It's not a racetrack as per the example cited.

EVERY rider can do with the occasional rider training day.I dont think many riders actually practise thir braking.Its a standard rider training day exercise and anyone will benefit.
Questions will be asked re riding situations and practises.Some discussion will ensue and i think this is a good thing because it makes you think about your own riding.This is also a good thing.Go on an advanced course.If you think its of no value at all i will repay you your course fee.

[Big Dave]

EVERY rider can do with the occasional rider training day.I dont think many riders actually practise thir braking.Its a standard rider training day exercise and anyone will benefit.
Questions will be asked re riding situations and practises.Some discussion will ensue and i think this is a good thing because it makes you think about your own riding.This is also a good thing.Go on an advanced course.If you think its of no value at all i will repay you your course fee.

Thanks - but I've been offered every course going already with my gig.
Done some and observed some of them too.

The people I'm thinking of practice almost every day of the week and it's pretty much the entire topic of their conversation.

Co-pilot says I mainly hang with pros (not titutes thank you) and 'tragics' and have to allow for the 80-20 rule. She's right again (shuffles feet) I suppose.

[StoneY]

I'd like to see more transparency on the site, the rules that govern the group, etc. And it still reads as if they will be taking up projects that should (and currently do) come under ACC's general fund, again, some guidelines to make sure the MSL isn't just going to cover the same things ACC should/would anyway are needed. Site does looks snazzy, and what's on it reads well, but it's what is missing I'm worried about.

Mate what more can we give you...its all on that site and the ACC site.
The TOR has been public for months and months. It covers a lot of what anyone needs to know.
Rules now??? Your simply never going to accept its happened and allow it to actually get rolling are you?

The Govt have ring fenced 30$ from each rego on bikes, we are gonna make sure its spent on US and OUR safety.... like the increases or not this is the only factor WE motorcyclists get to control via a group of Motorcyclists that have strong ties to the Motorcycling community....

All this crying about 'it should be paid for from here, or there or by XXX dept' is just adding to the noise.
That's one of the thing we have as a 'rule' is it cannot be spent on otherwise already funded projects.

Wanna know more about it.... then make a submission on the site, ask for assistance with a project.... that's what its there for.