Gear that saved my arse...

[jaffaonajappa]

So I SHOULD buy my Wife those Triumph branded tight Leather jeans then??

If you dont buy em for her....who will?

[PrincessBandit]

Now this kind of thing really can cause an accident........

I'm sure more than one off has been the result of some bird-oggling...

But hey, we can't help being hot in our tight leathers

[MSTRS:Me]

I'm just guessing, but you are probably being judged by your overall attitude in other posts on other threads....

My attitude? Hmmmm...believing that a rider is responsible for their riding, and that too many are quick to place blame anywhere but themselves when they have an 'incident' is an attitude, I suppose. As is any alternative believe/opinion.
Obviously, in some quarters, it is the crime of the century to insist that a rider is responsible for themselves at all times, whether shit can and does happen or not.

Mstrs... I think your demise in this thread began here.

I hear through out the thread that you (Mstrs) are supportive of the OP use of good gear, but your apparent/implied support of KM and this Virago chap hasnt helped you.

All the majority of us in here are saying is that the thread should have been left as an informative thread/discussion as was intended... without the undue hijacking of it by KM and his ilk with their self righteous blatherings. The OP wasnt seeking sympathy, advice or criticism... he was merely informing. It has now become 7 pages of shit fighting.

I'm not fighting...

But then she'll match the bike!! Then how will I know which one to ride???

Your bike has a cameltoe?

[Grubber]

Are you serious? If so, I'm moving to Pukekohe.

My point being, it's not at every corner you ride. Always guarantee a tar sealed road but not always a clean one.
It certainly wouldn't be every day i ride that i see new seal.
Then again, maybe you're in a bad area and should move over to the wild side.

[skippa1]

Obviously, in some quarters, it is the crime of the century to insist that a rider is responsible for themselves at all times, whether shit can and does happen or not.

No, but rabbiting on to people that have just lost their bike(pride and joy) in an accident, when that person is suffering physical pain, about how responsible they are....when they never claimed they were not.....can producde some fairly bad reactions. You are the recipiant of that reaction and now you are getting defensive of that position

[MSTRS:Me]

Show me where I ever 'rabbited on' at anyone recovering from an off. I talk in general terms, not specific cases.
KM may be omnipotent, but I'm not. I wasn't at the scene of any particular crash, and although it is unlikely, I accept that there are times when shit happens that the rider couldn't have avoided no matter what level of care and attention they display/ed.

Here's a little exercise for you....
The last pucker moment I had was up the Gentle Annie a few years ago. The 2 local bodies that are responsible for this road have been sealing it from each end, to meet in the middle. At that time there was about 30kms of gravel left. I hadn't been up there for a while, and I was 'reliably informed' that the seal had been well extended since the last time I'd been there. So - here was me blatting along at 100-ish and right where I remembered the seal ending, the road was in shadow. Coming from bright sunlight, the detail of the road was impossible to make out. But I knew where the road went, and I knew that it was sealed...I had been told, right?
Wrong!! To add to my difficulty, this was one of those gravel roads with a high crown and massive camber and of course I hit it at what was suddenly a most inappropriate speed. Thank Christ the road went left and uphill...braking was NOT an option.
Your challenge is to tell us who was at fault for my predicament.

[NordieBoy]

PFFT I remember when KB was a bikers site, now its a site full of PC wankers.

Don't forget the Mac wankers

[240]

Fark me what a shit fight over a poor bastard that has totaled his bike and been thrown down the road for 30 or 40 meters.Think about that before commenting about his riding skills or whatever, do you blame a rugby player if he gets injured on the field?.
The dude is a fellow biker who deserves support from us for something that can happen at any time to any road user.
Any ways skipper1 you going triumph again or have you seen the light and are going to go German
Also I gotta ask you how the fuck did you end up with two big black toes!!! (sorry to laugh man but it does sound funny)
Hope the body is healing well.

[Geeen]

Now this kind of thing really can cause an accident........

Yup, I got two of them, one's 6 and the others 4

[Murray]

Here's a little exercise for you....
The last pucker moment I had was up the Gentle Annie a few years ago. The 2 local bodies that are responsible for this road have been sealing it from each end, to meet in the middle. At that time there was about 30kms of gravel left. I hadn't been up there for a while, and I was 'reliably informed' that the seal had been well extended since the last time I'd been there. So - here was me blatting along at 100-ish and right where I remembered the seal ending, the road was in shadow. Coming from bright sunlight, the detail of the road was impossible to make out. But I knew where the road went, and I knew that it was sealed...I had been told, right?
Wrong!! To add to my difficulty, this was one of those gravel roads with a high crown and massive camber and of course I hit it at what was suddenly a most inappropriate speed. Thank Christ the road went left and uphill...braking was NOT an option.
Your challenge is to tell us who was at fault for my predicament.

Had they taken the "Gravel next XXkm signs away?" if not its your fault. Otherwise its your reliable sources and council fault!!

[skippa1]

Show me where I ever 'rabbited on' at anyone recovering from an off.

QUOTE MSTRS: Perhaps you will listen to this guy. Originally Posted by Virago
As long as you keep trying to justify or explain your crash on the basis of "relatively new seal", you're always going to get a bite from the biters.

When you accept that you're 100% responsible for your own accident, you might get the support you seek. The road did not cause your accident - you did.

[skippa1]

Fark me what a shit fight over a poor bastard that has totaled his bike and been thrown down the road for 30 or 40 meters.Think about that before commenting about his riding skills or whatever, do you blame a rugby player if he gets injured on the field?.
The dude is a fellow biker who deserves support from us for something that can happen at any time to any road user.
Any ways skipper1 you going triumph again or have you seen the light and are going to go German
Also I gotta ask you how the fuck did you end up with two big black toes!!! (sorry to laugh man but it does sound funny)
Hope the body is healing well.

It is funny and I dont know how. I did literally face plant first, feet well above head....I guess they hit the road toes first

[MSTRS:Me]

Had they taken the "Gravel next XXkm signs away?" if not its your fault. Otherwise its your reliable sources and council fault!!

Sign was there - hidden in the same shadow so I couldn't/didn't see it.
I consider the whole thing my fault. I made assumptions that affected me.
I only mentioned what happened to me because it relates to this thread...in that the rider hit something he couldn't see until it was too late. Was he a bad boy? No. Was I? No. Were either of us responsible for assuming the road ahead was 'normal'? Yes. Was someone else responsible (liable) for what caught either of us out. In my case - no. In his - almost definitely. Neither of us had any warning, albeit for different reasons.

QUOTE MSTRS: Perhaps you will listen to this guy.

Hardly 'rabbiting on'.

[Katman]

Was someone else responsible (liable) for what caught either of us out. In my case - no. In his - almost definitely.

Just to clarify (for skippa's sake) - I think MSTRS is saying that's an "almost definitely not".

[MSTRS:Me]

Just to clarify (for skippa's sake) - I think MSTRS is saying that's a "almost definitely not".

I'm saying there is 'responsible' and there is 'liable'. The rider is always responsible for themselves, but if a situation turns to custard 'because' someone else failed in a legal obligation that someone is liable.
I was responsible AND liable for my event. Skippa1 was responsible but not liable for his.

The difference shouldn't be too subtle to grasp.