Secret abortions for under 18s? Good shit.

[Flip]

The point is, is it her choice or yours?

No its murder, its not a choice.

[superman]

No its murder, its not a choice.

So you're going to impose your "definition" of murder onto your daughter if she got pregnant rather than let her decide for herself? Top quality parenting mate. Up there with religious fundamentalists.

[jaffaonajappa]

Arghhhh.
I was here about 30 mins ago - I had it with me then, but cant seem to find it now. Mustve dropped it somewhere.

Anyone seen my popcorn?

[EJK]

Just thought some people don't quite know the procedure of how abortion works... Here's a coulple of very short educational videos.


Early abortion



Late abortion


After seeing these videos, (hope) some might change your mind. I'm against abortion.

[Flip]

And into what will this unwanted "human" turn into....?
Hope for you that you will be spared a serious run in with a "saved" abortion candidate.
Headlines are full of them.........
Human embryos will only turn into decent humans when they are wanted and loved.

Far 2 few abortions as is.....

So what you are saying is its OK to kill unborn babies if they come from broken homes or young mothers on the basis they may not end up being good middle class citizens. I believe that murder is murder and I can say so without any moral ambulatory or the need to categories for any reason any human being as belonging to a sub class.

20,000,000 Chinese died at the hands of the Japs because they were believed to be a sub class and 6,000,000 Jews at the hands of the Nazi's, I honestly believe in the sanctity of ALL human life.

[superman]

Just thought some people don't quite know the procedure of how abortion works... Here's a coulple of very short educational videos.

After seeing these videos, (hope) some might change your mind. I'm against abortion.

You missed early early abortion. Take a pill, away it goes, which works up to 9 weeks from last period to do at home. And then from 9 weeks on you can use the pill version still but you have to be observed at a hospital.

And I'm pretty sure they don't do that demonic second video you showed in this country! I looked up something on really late abortions due to health reasons, which is the only reason you'd abort a nearly full grown baby. And in NZ they anesthetize the baby entirely in such a situation, personally I'd think in such a late stage why not just birth the baby and see if it lives (though I guess that's a calculated decision if they know if it's going to suffer and die). If it's already that far out it's hardly gonna hurt the mother to take it out alive rather than killing it inside.

[PrincessBandit]

No its murder, its not a choice.

Indeed. The baby whose life is being destroyed has no choice...

[Flip]

So you're going to impose your "definition" of murder onto your daughter if she got pregnant rather than let her decide for herself? Top quality parenting mate. Up there with religious fundamentalists.

Murder is murder, the death of an unborn baby vs my daughters inconvenience is not reason enough to terminate the pregnancy, as I have already said in my home, family is family.

For your information I take a great deal of offense in your criticism of my parenting. I have been a foster parent for the last 18 years and have provided a home for more children than I care to count. Some have been hard work, some have just been a delight to have around. The oldest is just starting his tertiary studies this year. The people here that know me can vouch for this.

[superman]

Murder is murder, the death of an unborn baby vs my daughters inconvenience is not reason enough to terminate the pregnancy, as I have already said in my home, family is family.

For your information I take a great deal of offense in your criticism of my parenting. I have been a foster parent for the last 18 years and have provided a home for more children than I care to count. Some have been hard work, some have just been a delight to have around. The oldest is just starting his tertiary studies this year. The people here that know me can vouch for this. What have you done?

Nothing... I'm 19. I just question your "authority" to make a decision on her behalf. I take offense you'd think that your view point trumps your daughters. Sure if you've raised her to a point where she has the same views as you... fine. But let her make the decision, not you. It's not your body, not your baby! That's what I take issue with, it should be her choice! Not yours.

I don't think you quite understand the definition of murder either... "unlawfully taking a humans life"... against the law... abortion is not against the law in NZ and therefore by definition not murder. But I understand what you're saying...

Fact of the matter is... it's not a baby for a good few weeks into the pregnancy. It's a piece of flesh with human dna.

As I've shown above (post #102) at four weeks it's pretty much the same as a tumour, no organs, no brain... just a blood vessel. The only "animal" like characteristic is a primordial gut inside of it and it's 2mm long in its entirety. It's wrong to get rid of that? Well then you might as well take the stance of the catholics and says it's wrong to use contraception for wasting your seed is wasting potential human life!

[Spearfish]

So who is responsible if the child has complications from the abortion, the legal guardians, the councillor, the school or the medics? Imagine the parents rushing a girl heavily bleeding to hospital to be told its from her abortion that went wrong, imagine the reaction.

Considering NZ has some of the worst statistics regarding children, why does the nation still listen to these "experts" who decide what's best for family's?

Maybe its just the fact every parent in NZ is crap..thank fark the likes of Suey Bradford are there to fix it.......no more blue babes now aye?

[superman]

Maybe its just the fact every parent in NZ is crap.

I've seen Polynesians feeding toothless babies cheese-burgers at maccas.

[awayatc]

20,000,000 Chinese died at the hands of the Japs..........

I believe they have since recovered from losing that number........

Not a single "human" alive won't die.

many however won't live very well before death...

If the mother doesn't want to have a baby, how much chance will that baby have If you FORCE her to have it because of your "superior" beliefs.

Sound unrealistic and arrogant to me.......

[scracha]

What? My post says you either have to be "very very stupid".

You've obviously never tried alcohol nor had a spur of the moment quick shag?


Experts blathering on about 20 weeks and late stage abortions. The sad fact of the matter is that a young lady in New Zealand can go to the doctor at around 4 weeks pregnant. It then often takes another month or two before an abortion is performed. Makes a relatively simple procedure a long drawn out emotional one. Perhaps this should be addressed first?


Edbear....would you rather the kids were born, unwanted and bounced off every wall in the house like so many poor wee bastards in this country?



As for the God bothereres morallistic arguments....fuck off...not interested. Sure..."children are a blessing". We can all seen the results of that religious mantra (be it Catholic, Anglican, hindi, muslim or whatever) in shitholes like India and many African countries. "Lets outbreed these reghead bastards"....oh yea...that's work. Stupid + stupid breeds really stupid.

[Lurch]

....would you rather the kids were born, unwanted and bounced off every wall in the house like so many poor wee bastards in this country?

Many have survived torturous childhoods to have become great people. I think that a life deserves the chance to try, to have the opportunity for even just one day of happiness.

Teaching a teenager to undervalue the life that they have created doesn't do the human race any favours.

[PrincessBandit]

Nothing... I'm 19. I just question your "authority" to make a decision on her behalf. I take offense you'd think that your view point trumps your daughters. Sure if you've raised her to a point where she has the same views as you... fine. But let her make the decision, not you. It's not your body, not your baby! That's what I take issue with, it should be her choice! Not yours.

I don't think you quite understand the definition of murder either... "unlawfully taking a humans life"... against the law... abortion is not against the law in NZ and therefore by definition not murder. But I understand what you're saying...

Fact of the matter is... it's not a baby for a good few weeks into the pregnancy. It's a piece of flesh with human dna.

You are young, and time will tell if you hold to those same views as you age. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with you having your opinion on this matter regardless of the fact that I don't agree with you. I'm simply saying that from experience I can say that things I felt strongly about when I was your age have altered considerably since turning into an old lady!

Perspective is a funny thing, and most certainly can change over time.