Labour's new policy - attack the farmers

[JimO]

i think farmers fall into the "rich prick" category according to labour

[cowpoos]

Good. They don't pay tax for starters and their entire business model revolves around living in a shack, eating Pam's canned vegetables for 20 years and then making massive capital gain turning productive land into a subdivision. The average Dairy Farm business owner pays 6% income tax.

PAYE Winston? Seriously? Have you seen what Farmers (Dairy in particular) try to pay their workers and then wonder why they leave for the heady income of a Gas Station or retail store and regular hours without 4 hours unpaid downtime in the middle of the day?

The Dairy farming industry needs to be charged at least 800 million a year to clean up NZ's waterways let alone the ETS. I have little sympathy for tax avoiding chronic polluters. They need to start behaving like responsible business owners and it looks like they can only be controlled with legislation. A combination of the ETS and Capital Gains Tax might turn them back into responsible business owners.

I trust thats sarcastic Jim....because otherwise...you actually have no loody Idea at all.....LMAO!!

[cowpoos]

There's a enormous difference between what is earned and what tax is paid on. I'm not talking about turn-over either.
If dairy farmers are (legally) able to write off so much income against expenses that they only pay $1500pa on average...in some ways, good on them. I'd like to know their secret...

no not at all....don't read the bullshit in the newspapers....do some research!!

[Brian d marge]

We are oft to blame in this, —
'Tis too much prov'd, — that with devotion's visage,
And pious action, we do sugar o'er
The devil himself.

You can guess which book Im reading at the moment

Stephen

[cowpoos]

You'd think a 'left' leaning party would relise that Marx wasn't an idiot.

Service industries are all well and good but remove primary production and see what happens.

As for the haters - there is nothing stopping you starting your own business and learning a whole lot about how things work.

Your the smartest man/woman on this thread so far.....so...tell me....why is it people belive what they read in a news paper and believe it with out question as 100% true??

[cowpoos]

You can be utterly unqualified, have the work ethic of a P-addict, tip antibiotic tainted milk, fertiliser, and fecal coliform into rivers with impunity and still have all the toys and no imperative to change any of the bad stuff about your "lifestyle".

So why is it that the most poluted land in this country per square metre...[and not by a little bit by a massive margin] is the towns....why don't the hippocrite townies clean up their backyards before whinging about ours....once again Jim....not sure whats up with yo lately....but...totally uninformed post!!

[cowpoos]

Hmmm...I'm astonished at the vitriol expressed here but maybe it's representative of the general population. Honestly, I hadn't realised the gap between people on the land and people living in cities had grown so large.
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ya know...I just found this thread....and got to your post after making a few replies...and I starting thinking the same thing....also....Labour have found the Idiots with selfish little brains they need to vote for them....I give up...people will belive what ever the hell they want...I just get really pissed with people who are so UNINFORMED...they are just so stupid in my mind....seriously..I dunno.

[Winston001]

Have you seen what Farmers (Dairy in particular) try to pay their workers and then wonder why they leave for the heady income of a Gas Station or retail store and regular hours without 4 hours unpaid downtime in the middle of the day?

Jim you are an intelligent man and you know better than this. The beginning wages in many industries are below the fast high wages in on again/off again jobs or the raw stuff like mining.

I've seen this happen. Dairy employees have the chance to breed their own stock if they are competent and reliable. As this grows they move on to short-order sharemilking all the while growing their own herd larger every year.

After about ten years they are in a position to buy a run-off block or rental house, and they keep working. 24/7. For years. By the time a sharemilking couple are 35-40 they will be buying their own dairy farm.

It isn't quick. It isn't easy. It isn't even guaranteed. But eventually for the switched on ones who think, plan, and work, they succeed.

I don't know the average farmers age but it used to be 57. Its a lifetime commitment and worth it to those who want it. Same for engineers, architects, doctors, retailers etc. Nothing worth doing is easy.

[schrodingers cat]

Your the smartest man/woman on this thread so far.....so...tell me....why is it people belive what they read in a news paper and believe it with out question as 100% true??

You're my new best friend! LOL

I've quoted Mark Twian before but it is worth doing so again;

If you don't read the papers you are uninformed.

If you do read the papers you are misinformed.

Thank you Mr Twain. Unfortunately the truth isn't news and the news isn't truth.
When you take the path of producing a society of consumers the first skill you must reduce is the ability to think independantly and critically.

Take a moment to have a look at this link (v short I promise)
http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/mi...lves-to-death/

[marie_speeds]

Your the smartest man/woman on this thread so far.....so...tell me....why is it people belive what they read in a news paper and believe it with out question as 100% true??

I don't believe anything I read in the newspapers.....if you want the truth then you are in the right place, KB is the only place where you can get it......

[Banditbandit]

There is an honesty and primacy in your soul when you spend your days on the land.

Nice sentiment - but are you kidding??? Many farmers are some of the biggest whingers, idiots and deluded bullshit artists I know (and I've spent my days owning and working the land) ..

[Banditbandit]

why is it people belive what they read in a news paper and believe it with out question as 100% true??

because people have been trained to believe the propoganda bullshit ...

I don't believe anything I read in the newspapers.....if you want the truth then you are in the right place, KB is the only place where you can get it......

You can be deluded about cowpoos - he strokes your ego .. but I can't lead the KB comment go - that's way too self-delusional.

PS loved the link to the cartoons above ... I would add a slight paraphrase of mark Twain ... Those who do not read have no advantage over those who cannot read.

[oneofsix]

because people have been trained to believe the propoganda bullshit ....

propaganda is the training. It is propaganda because it is designed to fool most of the people most of the time.

[Brian d marge]

propaganda is the training. It is propaganda because it is designed to fool most of the people most of the time.

Have a look at the lovely Edward Bernays... then the focus group , and how clinton got reelected for the second time....

Oh what a lovely con

Stephen

I swear Im going to go into the Jesus Boot market ........ Me and Dr Manette will be restored to life ..........

[schrodingers cat]

I don't believe anything I read in the newspapers.....if you want the truth then you are in the right place, KB is the only place where you can get it......

There will never be a time when the truth reigns on earth. Anyone who wants to live a live worth living should celebrate that fact, since the idea of any kind of pure truth is fundamentally anti-life. But there may be a time when less lies are told in the name of truth, and less lives destroyed through its misuse.

Many will say, but how can we deal with lies, distortions, misperceptions, half-truths and much else if we have no standard of truth against which to measure and expose what’s false? A crucial question, since while there may be no absolute truth, that hardly rids the world of lies.

What we need, it seems, is a notion of truth as partial rather than absolute, as insight rather than obfuscation. Insight allows us to understand more clearly, but not absolutely and certainly not finally.

A concept of truth, then, as fundamentally situational. Not beyond conditions, but lodged in them. Not the answer to conditions, but as something that allows us to understand the sources of conditions, and where those conditions are tending.

http://wallacethinksagain.blogspot.com/2008/01/you-cant-handle-truth.html


KB 'truth anyone?