I don't know what annoys me the most about this article...

**marie_speeds** · 25th May 2011, 10:04

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10727836

Th tattooist preventing what looks to be a funny sequelthat I want to see from being released or this woman and her following quote...

Professor Ngahuia Te Awekotuku, author of Mau Moko: The World of Maori Tattoo, described Mr Whitmill's claims of ownership as insufferable arrogance. "It is astounding that a Pakeha tattooist who inscribes an African American's flesh with what he considers to be a Maori design has the gall to claim ...

that design as his intellectual property," she said.

"The tattooist has never consulted with Maori, has never had experience of Maori and originally and obviously stole the design that he put on Tyson.

"The tattooist has an incredible arrogance to assume he has the intellectual right to claim the design form of an indigenous culture that is not his."

She shows insufferable arrogance of other cultures by insinuating that the only Indigenous People on this planet to tattoo or have those types of designs is Maori......

**BoristheBiter** · 25th May 2011, 10:08

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10727836

Th tattooist preventing what looks to be a funny sequelthat I want to see from being released or this woman and her following quote...

Professor Ngahuia Te Awekotuku, author of Mau Moko: The World of Maori Tattoo, described Mr Whitmill's claims of ownership as insufferable arrogance. "It is astounding that a Pakeha tattooist who inscribes an African American's flesh with what he considers to be a Maori design has the gall to claim ...

that design as his intellectual property," she said.

"The tattooist has never consulted with Maori, has never had experience of Maori and originally and obviously stole the design that he put on Tyson.

"The tattooist has an incredible arrogance to assume he has the intellectual right to claim the design form of an indigenous culture that is not his."

She shows insufferable arrogance of other cultures by insinuating that the only Indigenous People on this planet to tattoo or have those types of designs is Maori......

That you will never get back the 5 minutes you wasted reading it.

**marie_speeds** · 25th May 2011, 10:13

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

That you will never get back the 5 minutes you wasted reading it.

Hey that's five minutes less that I spent working.....

**oneofsix** · 25th May 2011, 10:19

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10727836

Th tattooist preventing what looks to be a funny sequelthat I want to see from being released or this woman and her following quote...

Professor Ngahuia Te Awekotuku, author of Mau Moko: The World of Maori Tattoo, described Mr Whitmill's claims of ownership as insufferable arrogance. "It is astounding that a Pakeha tattooist who inscribes an African American's flesh with what he considers to be a Maori design has the gall to claim ...

that design as his intellectual property," she said.

"The tattooist has never consulted with Maori, has never had experience of Maori and originally and obviously stole the design that he put on Tyson.

"The tattooist has an incredible arrogance to assume he has the intellectual right to claim the design form of an indigenous culture that is not his."

She shows insufferable arrogance of other cultures by insinuating that the only Indigenous People on this planet to tattoo or have those types of designs is Maori......

from your post it would be the Profs attitude. Unless the tattoo artist was copying an existing Maori design, rather than just style, and providing the movie has copied the artists design then the artist has a copywrite case against the movie studio. which is ironic given the studios' stance on copywrite and downloads

**marie_speeds** · 25th May 2011, 10:27

Originally Posted by oneofsix

from your post it would be the Profs attitude. Unless the tattoo artist was copying an existing Maori design, rather than just style, and providing the movie has copied the artists design then the artist has a copywrite case against the movie studio. which is ironic given the studios' stance on copywrite and downloads

Yes her attitude really gets on my goat.....

Good point about copyright....Maori would have to prove beyond all doubt that the design belonged to them alone....and as they are not the only indigenous race to use such a design/pattern that may be very hard....If the tattooist drew it based on something similar that he had seen or what MT specifically wanted then perhaps he does have a case against the studio for completely copying it in the movie.....

**willytheekid** · 25th May 2011, 12:19

"Mr Tyson agreed at the time his tattoo was created that Mr Whitmill would own the artwork and thus, the copyright."

Case closed!

**Paul in NZ** · 25th May 2011, 12:57

Meh - I bet a sack full of rancid shrunken heads that if you hopped into your time machine and went back to the day there would not be one single Maori anywhere with a tattoo like that... Modernist 'tribal' bullshit...

**SMOKEU** · 25th May 2011, 13:12

It's just another case where the Maoris are trying to claim shit that they don't own.
First it was the land and sea, now this. Just ignore them because if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

**Ender EnZed** · 25th May 2011, 13:14

Originally Posted by marie_speeds

insinuating that the only Indigenous People on this planet to tattoo or have those types of designs is Maori......

That's not what I read at all. Probably because that's not what she said.

**jaffaonajappa** · 25th May 2011, 13:18

Looks more celtic than maori to me....but yeah, lol.

**oneofsix** · 25th May 2011, 13:18

Originally Posted by Ender EnZed

That's not what I read at all. Probably because that's not what she said.

perhaps that's why Marie typed insinuating meaning it is what she thinks the prof implied.

**Banditbandit** · 25th May 2011, 13:20

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's just another case where the Maoris are trying to claim shit that they don't own.
First it was the land and sea, now this. Just ignore them because if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

Naa man .. you Pākehā already taken the whole fucken country. A mile is insignificant compared to that.

I don't really want to engage in this one - I'm torn between agreeing with you and not agreeing with you. It's not something I've made up my own mind about. (See not all Māori agree with all other Māori ... it's only you Pākehā who think we are all the same)

But I see a lot of similarities in he arguments around the use of Christian symbols and Iconography by non-Christian groups .. which hugely pisses off some Christian groups who want to claim ownership.

**Ender EnZed** · 25th May 2011, 13:23

Originally Posted by oneofsix

perhaps that's why Marie typed insinuating meaning it is what she thinks the prof implied.

Pehaps I was implying Marie was wrong and could benefit from reading the article more thoroughly and less emotionally.

**Banditbandit** · 25th May 2011, 13:35

Originally Posted by Ender EnZed

Pehaps I was implying Marie was wrong and could benefit from reading the article more thoroughly and less emotionally.

Hmm my reading of it is the same as marie ...

**SMOKEU** · 25th May 2011, 13:38

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Naa man .. you Pākehā already taken the whole fucken country. A mile is insignificant compared to that.

I don't really want to engage in this one - I'm torn between agreeing with you and not agreeing with you. It's not something I've made up my own mind about. (See not all Māori agree with all other Māori ... it's only you Pākehā who think we are all the same)

But I see a lot of similarities in he arguments around the use of Christian symbols and Iconography by non-Christian groups .. which hugely pisses off some Christian groups who want to claim ownership.

I'm not a phucking pakeha. You calling me a pakeha is just as insulting as me calling you a nigger.