Oh come on

**bsasuper** · 3rd June 2011, 16:38

There is a very slight possibility that this will cause more high speed persuits with motorcycles,being that the popo will call off a chase over 200kph.

**RDJ** · 3rd June 2011, 17:04

Originally Posted by Winston001

What are you worried about? The speed limit is 100kph but most of us exceed that by a considerable margin. That's what modern bikes do and its damned hard to keep the throttle off. But we know the rules and pay the fines. Or bin...

Honestly, whats the problem?

Possibly that with so many people target-fixated on the speedometer reading, they won't be looking at the surrounding traffic on the road...?

**RDJ** · 3rd June 2011, 17:08

Originally Posted by MarkH

My guess is lower road tolls are BECAUSE of their policing policies and higher road tolls are DESPITE their policing policies, take the credit for the good and shrug off the bad.

Agree. My guess (and it is only that) is that the prevailing culture trickling down from their political masters (no distinction between Labour and National) is to police the "transgressions" that are both relatively inexpensive and profitable to police - collecting speeding ticket money from middle-class drivers and riders who pay up; while not chasing so avidly the habitual fine dodgers and child-and wife-beaters who they'd need to send for expensive court trials. My guess is also that rank-and-file police people would dearly like to address as a priority the worst crimes against people especially children, but like most of us, have to do what they're told in their workplace. Just my guesses, your guesses may vary...

**funrunna** · 3rd June 2011, 18:46

the only way this could be bad for the cops is if a heap of people die on the roads this weekend, and I don't think any of us want that to happen for obvious reasons. I guess even if a heap of people do die, the response will be that the tolerance should be even lower. Not looking good for us riders.

**scumdog** · 3rd June 2011, 19:35

Originally Posted by nzmikey

Soooo who is able to not go above 54kmh or 104kmh
coz this weekend if you get caught doing more than 4 over you are done

they claim it saves lives . Personally i think that you end up spending more time making sure that you are not speeding than you do making sure that you are being safe .

Cry me a river...

"Waaah, I'm better looking at the road ahead than my speedo...waaah"

**Scuba_Steve** · 3rd June 2011, 19:44

Originally Posted by scumdog

Cry me a river...

**Gremlin** · 3rd June 2011, 19:54

FACT: There are less people out on the roads in miserable conditions... I know, because I have ridden on plenty of weekends, in all weather.
FACT: The total population of NZ is rising.

In bad weather, people don't respond to the conditions, and crash... just depends how bad the weather is.

In good weather, there are heaps of people out, and some still don't drive to the conditions, and crash.

Until the police start accepting the facts and obvious weather related stats, we'll keep seeing stupid policies... I wonder just how many people think the police are a) naive or b) incredibly stupid, when they trot out their predictable statements following the long weekend.

**scumdog** · 3rd June 2011, 20:05

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Until the police start accepting the facts and obvious weather related stats, we'll keep seeing stupid policies... I wonder just how many people think the police are a) naive or b) incredibly stupid, when they trot out their predictable statements following the long weekend.

Oh yes they 'all' stand there nodding their heads in wise agreement that allowing only 4km over the speed limit is the be all and end all for reducing the road toll eh....

Knock it back to 70kph and tell the road users to harden up and like it or lump it is bound to be a sure fire cure for the road toll....and REALLY give the whingers something to rant on about.

**Old Steve** · 3rd June 2011, 20:07

I've got some specific opinions on this.

1. IT SUCKS!!! I got a ticket on New Years Day this year for doing 85 km/hr in an 80 km/hr zone along the side of Lake Rotoiti during a 4 km/hr tolerance period. I claimed that it being a holiday weekend, there were lots of children about and cars parked on the side of the road, plus a motorcyclist has to pay particular attention to the road condition. Therefore it was better for me to be paying attention to the road and the surrounding environment for hazards than riding with my eyes focussed on my speedo. Police Infringement Office response - "The posted limit was 80 km/hr, you were travelling at a speed above the posted limit."

2. It's not motorists and bikers travelling at 5 km/hr above the posted limit who are having accidents. It's the idiots in whatever vehicle who tarvel at 20, 30, 40 km/hr above the posted limit. Or those who's skill set is severely lacking. So it's not the 4 km/hr tolerance that lowers the accident rate, but the presence of large numbers of Police out on the roads enforcing the 4 km/hr tolerance limit which stops those idiots who would normally be doing far greater speeds.

3. Fines aren't much of a deterrent. When I lived in Australia the Police would announce double or triple demerit periods. That sure had an effect on driving behaviour.

**scumdog** · 3rd June 2011, 20:07

Originally Posted by RDJ

Possibly that with so many people target-fixated on the speedometer reading, they won't be looking at the surrounding traffic on the road...?

Shouldn't be on the road if they're that fuckin' incompetent...take that lot of ding-a-lings off the road and it might be possible to have a higher speed limit.

**Toaster** · 3rd June 2011, 20:45

Originally Posted by scumdog

Shouldn't be on the road if they're that fuckin' incompetent...take that lot of ding-a-lings off the road and it might be possible to have a higher speed limit.

Well said. A good rider had a good idea of their speed by experience and feel as well as using the instruments. We all know the limit and it is exactly that - a limit, not a target.

Rider incompetence is hardly going to win friends in Court. They will always tell you the limit is the maximum speed allowed under law - not a guidleline. A prudent rider would ensure they are at or under it, not there or thereabouts with a few over. It is never a defence and I would expect that the Government will eventually make it a year round new policy for enforcement.

No point whinging about it like children, get used to the consequences or go to a track to let off steam if you must. All of us give our bikes a bit of a go and it is only our fault if we get caught speeding.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 3rd June 2011, 21:08

Originally Posted by RDJ

Possibly that with so many people target-fixated on the speedometer reading, they won't be looking at the surrounding traffic on the road...?

I target afixate on to Boobies all the time and I never land there...

**scumdog** · 3rd June 2011, 21:09

Originally Posted by Toaster

Well said. A good rider had a good idea of their speed by experience and feel as well as using the instruments. We all know the limit and it is exactly that - a limit, not a target.

Rider incompetence is hardly going to win friends in Court. They will always tell you the limit is the maximum speed allowed under law - not a guidleline. A prudent rider would ensure they are at or under it, not there or thereabouts with a few over. It is never a defence and I would expect that the Government will eventually make it a year round new policy for enforcement.

And the purile ones amongst us will say "Oh well, if they go that way I'm going to ride at 90kph, it'll hold up traffic and cause problems and piss them off"

"Oh boy, that'll show them eh, that'll learn 'em that I don't take shit, no siree bob!"

**Scuba_Steve** · 3rd June 2011, 21:10

Originally Posted by scumdog

Shouldn't be on the road if they're that fuckin' incompetent...take that lot of ding-a-lings off the road and it might be possible to have a higher speed limit.

But you guys never go after them! what ya'll should be hassling this weekend is "Failure to keep left" & "impeding the flow of traffic" Not "you were going 4km/h over a speed limit made up by a moron that is of the former groups"