Fluoro vests?

[swbarnett]

Compulsory vest wearing is not (and never will be) an issue for those who ride motorbikes.

Speak for yourself. Compulsory anything is a huge issue when the only reason for the compulsion is to save us from ourselves. No-one has that right. I also have a huge issue with the fact the helmets are compulsary but I happen to want to wear one anyway so I can live with it.

[swbarnett]

Hi-viz during daylight: No.

Hi-viz at night: Yes.

Short simple answer.

Short, yes. Simple no.

Stop trying to save me from myself is all I ask.

[Mom]

Does it appear to have made a difference?

Apologies for the delay in replying, but I have not had anything to report. No close shaves, no nothing, however...

Tonight while practising the skill of slow speed riding (I paid good money to really get a handle on it) I got undertaken by some cnut on the approach to a roundabout when I was indicating to turn left, half in my lane and half on the shoulder He was in a hell of a hurry to get around the corner and turn into the driveway that took him to the takeaway shop, I guess he was starving

I am picking no matter what I am wearing, dickheads like this will be a fact of my commuting journey, but I can report to you that I am being seen. Bear in mind this is in the dusk/dark. I have had cars acknowledge me leaving them gaps , stopping at roundabouts in rather a hurry (I love it when that happens, means they actually got a surprise when they saw me).

I am a total convert to the costly vest I bought, I would not give you 10cents for the cheap shit that ACC hand out, or you can buy at $2 shops, they are pale, flappy imitations of a HI VIZ vest IMO. They are also no different from anything else fluro around, I favour the WTF is that???? vest I have invested in.

Oh, I have just bought some LED's for Millie and am looking to put a Stebel on her as well If they miss seeing me they will certainly hear me

[YellowDog]

Further to the bikers’ demonstrations that took place last Saturday throughout France and paralysed the entire nation (read below), Michèle Merli, in charge of France’s road safety and working closely with Claude Guéant - current French interior minister, has made herself heard on national radio. According to Ms Merli, it would appear that the bikers have totally misunderstood the proposed obligation for all to wear a fluorescent high visibility yellow vest! Ms Merli has said that it has never been a question of wearing that vest but rather propose (not impose?!) to the bikers that they wear a little yellow strap around their arm so that they can be better seen by motorists. According to Ms Merli, that only costs 3 euros, so certainly everyone can afford it! UK France bikers.com believe that it is not the bikers who have misunderstood the latest government’s proposals but rather the French government who continue to severely misunderstand and under-estimate the safety of riders. As if wearing a little yellow strap around one arm, and no obligation for bikers to wear appropriate protective clothing, was indeed going to make them more visible on the road and, more importantly, protect them from injuries in case of accident. The FFMC (French Federation of Angry Bikers that organised the massive demonstrations all over France reported below) has urged all bikers in France to stay tuned and get prepared for another series of paralysing demonstrations all over the nation in no later than September unless, of course, the government abandons their proposals by then! UK France bikers.com is committed to support the actions of the FFMC by keeping all our readers around the globe informed of the developments. Stay tuned!

http://ukfrancebikers.com/

[jaffaonajappa]

Further to the bikers’ demonstrations that took place last Saturday throughout France and paralysed the entire nation (read below), Michèle Merli, in charge of France’s road safety and working closely with Claude Guéant - current French interior minister, has made herself heard on national radio. According to Ms Merli, it would appear that the bikers have totally misunderstood the proposed obligation for all to wear a fluorescent high visibility yellow vest! Ms Merli has said that it has never been a question of wearing that vest but rather propose (not impose?!) to the bikers that they wear a little yellow strap around their arm so that they can be better seen by motorists. According to Ms Merli, that only costs 3 euros, so certainly everyone can afford it! UK France bikers.com believe that it is not the bikers who have misunderstood the latest government’s proposals but rather the French government who continue to severely misunderstand and under-estimate the safety of riders. As if wearing a little yellow strap around one arm, and no obligation for bikers to wear appropriate protective clothing, was indeed going to make them more visible on the road and, more importantly, protect them from injuries in case of accident. The FFMC (French Federation of Angry Bikers that organised the massive demonstrations all over France reported below) has urged all bikers in France to stay tuned and get prepared for another series of paralysing demonstrations all over the nation in no later than September unless, of course, the government abandons their proposals by then! UK France bikers.com is committed to support the actions of the FFMC by keeping all our readers around the globe informed of the developments. Stay tuned!

http://ukfrancebikers.com/

Thanks for that post.
So.....bikers action group kinda stuff. In other words....we were wayyy too soft when protesting the ACC levy?
guess what.....if/when the same pricks decide teh next step to helping us save ourselves is to make us wear fluoro vests.....well...we may have a stronger protest organised. I hope.

[YellowDog]

It's not just NZ. The frogs could teach the entire world how to protest effectively

[jaffaonajappa]

It's not just NZ. The frogs could teach the entire world how to protest effectively

I reallllly dont like the frogs, usually. But yeah...they know how to protest alright. Proved that quite effectively back in the early and mid '40's.

They also learnt how to squash protests very effectively. Probably also picked up int he '40's. And observed by kiwis in our own part of the world during the 80 and 90's.....which makes it interesting that the French (government, effectively) has agreed to compromise and appease this lot. Mind you....can you imagine what 100,000 "determined" protesters on motorbikes could achieve if they wanted to?

[nzspokes]

Hi-viz during daylight: No.

Hi-viz at night: Yes.

Short simple answer.

It should be silver hi-vi at night, yellow is ineffective under lights. That can be made into the jackets and look ok if done tastefully. You dont need much.

I have done a lot of H&S in the past.

[oneofsix]

It should be silver hi-vi at night, yellow is ineffective under lights. That can be made into the jackets and look ok if done tastefully. You dont need much.

I have done a lot of H&S in the past.

good point. I hadn't thought that through. Although the Yellow hi-vis all have silver reflective strips for night. The yellow would show black under the sodium lights (and I presume so do the orange ones) but the reflective strips should still work. That said most modern fabric jackets also incorporate reflective material so what is the point of the hi-vis?

[Maha]

good point. I hadn't thought that through. Although the Yellow hi-vis all have silver reflective strips for night. The yellow would show black under the sodium lights (and I presume so do the orange ones) but the reflective strips should still work. That said most modern fabric jackets also incorporate reflective material so what is the point of the hi-vis?

....and those that reject that idea more than likely have reflective something on thier chosen style of jacket.

[jaffaonajappa]

....and those that reject that idea more than likely have reflective something on thier chosen style of jacket.

Not saying I reject that idea....its !00% fine by me...but my jacket certainly does Not have any silver reflective stuff on it. But my running shoes do

[Gorgeousplak]

when the fluro factory sew one thats big enough to go over 2 thermos, a tshirt, a polar neck, a padded xxxxxxxxxxxxxxl leather jacket and extra upsidedown hour glass curves with tripe-double DD cups with wide hips and big AAAAA!!!

[YellowDog]

Not saying I reject that idea....its !00% fine by me...but my jacket certainly does Not have any silver reflective stuff on it. But my running shoes do

My gear has all the embedded reflective stuff in it.

Whilst I do not consider myself to be a poser, I would not want to spoil the neat appearance with a tacky hi-vis bib.