GPs can lick my balls

[Scouse]

No, it isn't. Hutt ED will turn people away to After Hours with kids who have a temp of 40 and severe asthma and After Hours simply don't have the gear to deal with that.

I have vastly more experience of the hospital and GP systems than most people do. The only way to keep people safe is to be an arsehole. 3 weeks ago I rang Hutt ED and said I was bringing my son in (a well documented and very severe asthmatic with open admission) as his resp rate was 120, he was tachycardic and had a temp of 39.4. This had come on between getting home from school and dinner time. They told us we had to present to our GP first, so I rang them and got told I could have an appointment in two days.

I rang the hospital, spoke to the kid's ward found out which paediatrician was on and then paged them to meet us in ED. My son was in ICU within 15 minutes of us getting there. It's not bullshit. I have had to deal with this procedural shit in the face of some horrendous episodes including respiratory arrests where it has been bloody difficult to get help including timely responses from any medical professional.

I can see your mistake you rang them up giving them the opertunity to say "No Sorry" man just turn up

[BMWST?]

But in that case shouldn't they leave enough contingency time in between appointments to cover those everyday occurrences?

you cant schedule one of your regulars patients strokes,astmaha attack or accident.They would have so much slack in the schedule they couldnt operate efficiently at all.To make the place even half efficient somone always has to be there,ready to walk in the door.
When i had an operation to fix my achilles tendon there were basically two of us waiting for most of the weekend,ie all day sat and most of sunday morning,till a free spell became avaialble in theatre.Even then we could have been pushed out at the last minute for a serious emergency.So the best only way to fill a hole in the schedule is to have someone waiting all the time.

[Brett]

No, it isn't. Hutt ED will turn people away to After Hours with kids who have a temp of 40 and severe asthma and After Hours simply don't have the gear to deal with that.

I have vastly more experience of the hospital and GP systems than most people do. The only way to keep people safe is to be an arsehole. 3 weeks ago I rang Hutt ED and said I was bringing my son in (a well documented and very severe asthmatic with open admission) as his resp rate was 120, he was tachycardic and had a temp of 39.4. This had come on between getting home from school and dinner time. They told us we had to present to our GP first, so I rang them and got told I could have an appointment in two days.

I rang the hospital, spoke to the kid's ward found out which paediatrician was on and then paged them to meet us in ED. My son was in ICU within 15 minutes of us getting there. It's not bullshit. I have had to deal with this procedural shit in the face of some horrendous episodes including respiratory arrests where it has been bloody difficult to get help including timely responses from any medical professional.

Ok, I hear you. That is absolutely astounding. I don't really know what to respond to this, of all of the doctors I know, every single one would be appalled at your experience. Asthma is one thing that I know is taken incredibly seriously by many GP's and many ED's as well, ESPECIALLY when it is in children as kids have a tendancy to crash much quicker than adults do. However, I do know that there is a lot of bullshit politics and procedural red tape between GP's and hospitals and within hospital departments themselves.
Amongst both society and the medical profession it is not uncommon to hear comments about how GP's are doctors who were not bright enough to become anything else, that they are the "cruizy" doctors who went into it for lifestyle and the such.
This may be true in some cases, but of the GP's I know, a few graduated top out of med school both academically as well as clinically, had offers to do ANY specialty they wanted and yet chose GP because good primary health care is the ambulance before the cliff. It is where initial diagnosis happens and chronic diseases can be effectively managed and those patients kept out of hospital which in turn reduces the stress on them.

Those saying doctors are in it for the money...personally I wish this was true...I have tried bending my wifes arm to head to Aussie a few times, to no avail. We would be better off to the tune of $350-400k per year between us. She is not interested in the money. She does her job because she gets to help people. All of doctors I know are the same.

However, there will be a tipping point. Even the most ardent professional gets tired of getting so much shit, so little support and no thanks. Don't forget, they don't make policies. They just work within them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm not an arsehole until I have to be.

1: Nobody HAS to be an arsehole Jim. It's a choice.

2: You've become for whatever reason, an extremely cynical and paranoid, bitter and twisted unit. In my eyes, it's sad to see.

[rachprice]

No, it isn't. Hutt ED will turn people away to After Hours with kids who have a temp of 40 and severe asthma and After Hours simply don't have the gear to deal with that.

I have vastly more experience of the hospital and GP systems than most people do. The only way to keep people safe is to be an arsehole. 3 weeks ago I rang Hutt ED and said I was bringing my son in (a well documented and very severe asthmatic with open admission) as his resp rate was 120, he was tachycardic and had a temp of 39.4. This had come on between getting home from school and dinner time. They told us we had to present to our GP first, so I rang them and got told I could have an appointment in two days.

I rang the hospital, spoke to the kid's ward found out which paediatrician was on and then paged them to meet us in ED. My son was in ICU within 15 minutes of us getting there. It's not bullshit. I have had to deal with this procedural shit in the face of some horrendous episodes including respiratory arrests where it has been bloody difficult to get help including timely responses from any medical professional.

I'm not an arsehole until I have to be. If one of my kids is in trouble I will do anything in my power to sort the problem. I don't care who I tread on. I shouldn't have to explain that and I also documented my attempts to use the system correctly to no avail, but you obviously didn't bother to read that bit. In that bit you'll note that the paediatrician reacted correctly and was quite happy for me to contact her. She knows our history and knows how dire it gets. ED should not have turned a patient away who has open admission. They were wrong.

If I wanted to be a proper arsehole I would've followed up with the Health and Disability Commission. It's pointless though because you then have to deal with the people you've just dropped in the shit in the future.

Dude first of all why the fuck did you call the emergency department when you could have showed up?
The people that you talked to probably thought was not as serious as you were saying, as if it was, you might have just driven straight in.

Im not saying it wasn't as serious as you were saying, but there are many people that over exaggerate things.

They may have fucked up, was it an ED doctor you spoke to on the phone????

And I agree with brett, asthma is taken VERY seriously no matter what age....it kills people. EVERY doctor I have been in contact with treats it extremely seriously

You may have had a bad experience but you can not tar the entire medical profession with that


And with regards to looking up GP's pay etc. this was never about money, it was about whats GP's actually do and how much they care...I dont know enough about that but I know how hard they dam well work, I have spent weeks with them and all I can say is that ,most of you obviously have no idea...I dont want to be cocky or 'god complex'-y but medicine is hard, mentally, physically and emotionally and you dudes dont seem to appreciate what all these people do, at all!!!

[Usarka]

I am pretty tolerant at hospitals,(different to the gp visit for sure)my surgery was supposed to take approx 3hours,ended up 7 or so,that was no fault of next patient,but docs can't just say hs time is up for now,next patient please.

I had that last year (or the year before) what was really difficult was waiting until 3pm having not eaten since 7pm the night before. They thought I was mad after waking up from serious abdominal repatching to plead for some food. I paid for it a couple of hours later.

Actually doctors can say "times up" - well GP's and specialists can anyway. I used to know of a GP that did this. She stated that if you wanted to sit and discuss multiple things, or your cat's runny nose or your grandsons gold star then you had to book a double appointment. Expectations were set at the start and it worked really well, and only occassionally were there actual emergencies that mucked up peoples appointments. So it is possible, I've seen it in action, but GP's choose not to do this because they think it's not fair. But I'd argue it's more fair.


I've had the misfortune to work in public health and spent a fair chunk of time as a patient in a hospital recently after an accident. Yes they do a hard job etc, but to be honest they are bloody inefficient. A little organisation and process would go a long way.

[Paul in NZ]

Tell him new Triumphs are better than the old ones.

Meh - you are a freaking wind up merchant Dave... How about a deal... New triumphs run better old triumphs LOOK better...

[scissorhands]

I went in yesterday with a badly wax impacted ear along with bone growths (exostosis)

The tinnitus was so bad I was morbid and staring ahead into space from the constant roaring noises. Conversation was very limited and stressful.

I was in real need

Not only did he irrigate (mistake)he made no mention of softening with oil, nor prescribed waxol nor made an appointment with ENT at Greenlane Hospital

I was told to make an appointment private.

He stated rushing and getting in a flap because it was taking longer than 15minutes. He is usually neurotic in my presence and makes many rushing errors and conversation is marred by his 'I'm in a flap dont make me worse melodrama.'

Sheesh.

Then I intern net read about hydrogen peroxide and determined it best to endeavour to fix myself in the future.

Cheaper and better by far. More empowering and less frustrating than having to bow to their wank authourity

If you can change your own locks, glass, motor oil etc.......you can use the net and avoid them 80% of the time.....very easily

Save money and save your nerves

[Crasherfromwayback]

Save money and save your nerves

How does pulling yourself save your nerves?

[oneofsix]

I went in yesterday with a badly wax impacted ear along with bone growths (exostosis)

The tinnitus was so bad I was morbid and staring ahead into space from the constant roaring noises. Conversation was very limited and stressful.

I was in real need

Not only did he irrigate (mistake)he made no mention of softening with oil, nor prescribed waxol nor made an appointment with ENT at Greenlane Hospital

I was told to make an appointment private.

He stated rushing and getting in a flap because it was taking longer than 15minutes. He is usually neurotic in my presence and makes many rushing errors and conversation is marred by his 'I'm in a flap dont make me worse melodrama.'

Sheesh.

Then I intern net read about hydrogen peroxide and determined it best to endeavour to fix myself in the future.

Cheaper and better by far. More empowering and less frustrating than having to bow to their wank authourity

If you can change your own locks, glass, motor oil etc.......you can use the net and avoid them 80% of the time.....very easily

Save money and save your nerves

Easy there scalpelhands. The net can put you way wrong. Surprised he did it himself, it is often a task they hand off to nursey. Also the softening the wax can take days so perhaps he though t it more urgent, you make it sound like you thought it was more urgent and you were unable to wait for the softening agents to work.

[scissorhands]

How does pulling yourself save your nerves?

Mrs Palmer and her five daughters will never hurt me, or want my money

Palm me off will you?

[scissorhands]

Easy there scalpelhands. The net can put you way wrong. Surprised he did it himself, it is often a task they hand off to nursey. Also the softening the wax can take days so perhaps he though t it more urgent, you make it sound like you thought it was more urgent and you were unable to wait for the softening agents to work.

Nursey did the syringing flushing which just forced the wax further down behind the existosis and made the tinnitus worse.

He should have mentioned softening to me.... stop covering up for their fuckups.... fuckheads

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mrs Palmer and her five daughters will never hurt me, or want my money

Palm me off will you?

Do it often enough and you'll give yourself a nasty blister. That could cost you money.

Thanks for the offer, but no thanks.

[scissorhands]

Do it often enough and you'll give yourself a nasty blister. That could cost you money.

Thanks for the offer, but no thanks.

Too busy sucking off your GP?

The internet is usually easier, cheaper AND often better

Bottom line dude. All else is wank value only

[Crasherfromwayback]

Too busy sucking off your GP?

The internet is usually easier, cheaper AND often better

Bottom line dude. All else is wank value only

My GP is a woman, so no. But you strike me as more of a cocksucker than I'll ever be. A bitter twisted poor me type cocksucker at that. Might want to change your name to sausagehands.