Christchurch earthquakes

**FJRider** · 26th June 2011, 22:06

Originally Posted by gsxr

The figure quoted at this afternoons public meeting was quoted by Roger Sutton at $15,000 for a standard house.
Page A9 of yesterdays press quotes "It costs a minimum of $15000 to $20.000 to demolish a house ".
Some are obviously going to make some seriously good money out of this.

For A standard house ... about $5000 of that is transporter costs to GET the digger to (and from) the site ... plus costs, to transport/dispose of said house rubble in an enviromentally safe way ... $5000 ... permits/consents $5000

Take out a whole neighbourhood ... with council landfills pre dug to help "stabilise" some areas ...

Yep ... some serious money will be made here ...

**fuknKIWI** · 27th June 2011, 00:53

Originally Posted by cynna

... insurance still covers for replacement value of the house so you wont just get the rates value. so its not so bad after all

lucky you ...in fantasyland

**onearmedbandit** · 27th June 2011, 01:24

Out in the garage on the laptop having a cig, watching everything including the brick wall moving around. Hopefully that's it for tonight, I'm off to bed.

**gsxr** · 29th June 2011, 01:13

It appears from todays stance from the major Insurance Companies if one chooses either of the 2 options from last Thursdays govt speech you can not become insured again in Canterbury.Which means if you buy land you cant get a loan to rebuild as the house has to be insured.

As an aside
Would it be feasible to request Nga Tahu do a land swap of already developed land EG Wigram Air Base land in exchange for red zone land in a more developed state than they initially sold it for originally. Appears more than fair to me.Failing that Im told CERA has wide ranging and extra ordinary powers. In my mind it is time to excercise those powers and return the land to its rightful owners.

**dangerous** · 29th June 2011, 06:02

Originally Posted by gsxr

As an aside
Would it be feasible to request Nga Tahu do a land swap of already developed land EG Wigram Air Base land in exchange for red zone land in a more developed state than they initially sold it for originally. Appears more than fair to me.Failing that Im told CERA has wide ranging and extra ordinary powers. In my mind it is time to excercise those powers and return the land to its rightful owners.

hahaha... never farking happen, them BB's will now make millions on Wigram they dont give a shit about people, its all money for them... but then you knew that LOL

**Grumph** · 29th June 2011, 06:31

It will be interesting to see how CERA deals with Ngai Tahu - they have fairly extensive property holdings in the CBD I believe. Whatever happens had better be transparent and above board or there'll be some screaming....
I'll bet there are a screed of consent applications already in for developing Wigram - and what was originally going to be mainly residential is probably being changed to a business park asap. Access has to be improved though.

**gsxr** · 30th June 2011, 00:23

With the wide ranging powers that CERA has been granted I believe it is time for CERA to use those powers and seize all land GIFTED to NgaTahu in a fair land swap for any current and subsequent red zoned land within Christchurch.
Current red zoned land is still substantially better than the condition it was originally sold in so any improvements above the condition it was originally sold in (aka swamp)should be recompensed from profits already received from land gifted to them.

**shrub** · 30th June 2011, 11:46

Originally Posted by gsxr

With the wide ranging powers that CERA has been granted I believe it is time for CERA to use those powers and seize all land GIFTED to NgaTahu in a fair land swap for any current and subsequent red zoned land within Christchurch.
Current red zoned land is still substantially better than the condition it was originally sold in so any improvements above the condition it was originally sold in (aka swamp)should be recompensed from profits already received from land gifted to them.

CERA has the ability to compulsoraly acquire land at a price they decide, and at present that is around $1000 m2, well under what most landowners value it at (normally $3k - $5k per m2). Under the legislation currently in place they are required to give Ngai Tahu first refusal on that land when they go to onsell it.

I was talking to a chap from Ngai tahu last week, and he is very keen for the current CBD to undergo no development for some time. What that means is when the rent continuation insurance the landlords are living on will run out in September and/or Feb, there will be a lot of people wanting to quit their property, therefore willing to accept any price. They will then take their insurance payout and build somewhere else because insurance and finance for building here is getting hard to get.

Ngai Tahu will potentially end up owning most of the current CBD and will be well enough funded to be able to build a new city and we will be their tenants. They will also potentially own most of the vacated red zone which will be remediated and stabilised, so in 10 - 15 years time some very prime river front properties will be for sale.

Aussie is looking better every day.

**Winston001** · 30th June 2011, 12:41

I'm coming to Chch in the next few days so I can see the reality. Photos and TV don't do it justice and don't show the context. What would be good is a high resolution aerial scan of the city so those of us who know the place but don't live there, can get a perspective.

Best wishes to you all.

**far queue** · 30th June 2011, 12:48

Originally Posted by Winston001

What would be good is a high resolution aerial scan of the city so those of us who know the place but don't live there, can get a perspective.

Here you go. Click the buttons to toggle between the pre 22/02 view and aerial mapping done on 24/02.

**shrub** · 30th June 2011, 13:20

Originally Posted by Winston001

I'm coming to Chch in the next few days so I can see the reality. Photos and TV don't do it justice and don't show the context. What would be good is a high resolution aerial scan of the city so those of us who know the place but don't live there, can get a perspective.

Best wishes to you all.

What blows me away is that living in baghdad has become normal - i now don't give a smashed building a second glance.

I had a moment of quiet amusement yesterday - I was driving down a particularly bad road and this idiot woman was tailgating me, so I tapped my brakes. She dropped back, then right up my arse again, I tapped the brakes and she gave me the finger. About 100 m in front of me was a big old pothole - easily a metre across and pretty deep. At the last minute I swerved around it and watched in my mirror as she didn't, and the expression on her face was priceless. The last I saw of her was stationary in the middle of the road while cars drove around her.

**Grumph** · 30th June 2011, 15:16

I hear what you're saying about Ngai Tahu - no one ever accused them of being slow to take an opportunity...

What's interesting at present is the little publicised stop on building work in the white zone...including I believe repairs to occupied houses.
No one seems to know who authorised this but it's got to have come from high up as I'd assume it's above Fletchers authority.
The problem with it is the lack of specifics - the white zone covers most of Canterbury...incl land which has had no problems since Sept last year.SDC are trying to get better definition of the areas concerned but having problems....

Left hand vs right....with no communication.