Police killing us again!

[PeeJay]

Yes, i agree nadroj. My original post was a hypothetical overview of the situation before it occured and the three "what if's" that may have avoided this tragic accident.
Unfortunately it did not turn out this way and resulted in the loss of Pauls life.
As for the U-turn, i certainly don't condone it given the location from a blind hill and the penalty that was handed out does not, in my opinion, reflect the seriousness of the event nor act as a future deterrant.
I do hope that all the publicity that this case has attracted causes the motoring public to be more aware and diligant in regard to performing U-turns in the future as they are a major cause for concern for all bike riders.

A trillion gazillion what ifs and this wouldnt have happened
If they had left 5 min earlier, 5 min later, turn left, turn right, if the bike had been going a bit quicker so it was 2 sec behind the ute instead of 10
If the policeman had of parked up on the other side of the road.
The list goes on
Blaming the ute driver for "causing" the policeman to chase him is like blaming a slow driver for "causing" someone to overtake and have a headon.

Everyone is responsible for their own actions despite the current NZ culture of blaming someone else

[scumdog]

Blaming the ute driver for "causing" the policeman to chase him is like blaming a slow driver for "causing" someone to overtake and have a headon.

You're dead right -but so many feel they 'have' to get past that slower vehicle, regardless of speed, circumstances, urgency etc...

Motos of the 21st century "It's somebody elses fault" "He/she made me do it" "It's not MY fault"

Personal responsibility has gone the way of 50-cent-a-litre-petrol and Brycreem...

[Indoo]

Gee, who'd have thought the cops would have whitewashed it?

Brilliant logic here....The 'cops' were the ones who charged him with dangerous driving causing death and another count of dangerous driving causing injury. And yet now it's a whitewash and a coverup because a Judge, after hearing all the evidence an open court before the media, decided that the charges laid were excessive.

[riffer]

Personal responsibility has gone the way of 50-cent-a-litre-petrol and Brycreem...

I'd happily welcome 50c a litre petrol and Brylcreem in return for personal responsibility.

[riffer]

Let's not forget, it's just as much about our own conduct on the road.

Oh definitely not forgotten KM.

I would however appreciate an answer as to exactly how the Police believe they can catch a vehicle that passes them on the other side of the road at 154km/hr when they are stopped?

Because I sure as hell believe they wouldn't be able to do it without also exceeding the speed limit by a ridiculous amount.

Yes Paul Brown made the situation a whole lot worse.

But the decision by Michael Lenihan to instigate the pursuit created the situation in the first place.

And absolutely NOTHING has come out of this, and Bridgeman's court cases to modify the Police Pursuit policy.

Therefore there is NOTHING to stop it happening tomorrow, the next day or whenever.

And it could happen to you. Even if you're doing 100km/hr. Or slower.

[Katman]

And absolutely NOTHING has come out of this, and Bridgeman's court cases to modify the Police Pursuit policy.

And how much has come out of either to modify our conduct?

[zeocen]

It is a FACT that the slick tyre provided better braking power than a normal road tyre under the conditions at the time of the crash.

Edit: Or not ^

It's still part of the narrative in the evidence, whether it's part of a charge or not. Don't blame the lawyer for doing their job, blame the rider for giving them ammunition to use.

[Max Preload]

Brilliant logic here....The 'cops' were the ones who charged him with dangerous driving causing death and another count of dangerous driving causing injury. And yet now it's a whitewash and a coverup because a Judge, after hearing all the evidence an open court before the media, decided that the charges laid were excessive.

All the fabricated evidence and corroborating stories. Why do you think it took so long to get to this point? If it was anyone else it all would have been over 12 months ago.

[scumdog]

All the fabricated evidence and corroborating stories. Why do you think it took so long to get to this point? If it was anyone else it all would have been over 12 months ago.

Mwahahahah...

I needed a good laugh, ta!

[Kickaha]

All the fabricated evidence and corroborating stories. Why do you think it took so long to get to this point? If it was anyone else it all would have been over 12 months ago.

What a cock, put up your proof

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All the fabricated evidence and corroborating stories. Why do you think it took so long to get to this point? If it was anyone else it all would have been over 12 months ago.

Bullshit, a lot of murders take 1-2 years before they end up in court.

[Headbanger]

With due respect Mark, you obviously did'nt read correctly or understand my first post. If the ute driver had'nt been speeding in the first place then the cop would never have been attempting to make a u-turn to chase him.
So don't go assuming that i am making excuses for him. Think before you post.

Everyone "gets" your point, that is why they are dismissing it as utter rubbish.

[Renegade]

Everyone "gets" your point, that is why they are dismissing it as utter rubbish.

im not dismissing his point, the ute driver should feel like crap as a major player in his mates death, his poor decision was the trigger for a further poor decision or two.

Ask yourself honestly that if you were the driver of that ute, how would you feel...id be f**ken livered with myself.

[Robbo]

Everyone "gets" your point, that is why they are dismissing it as utter rubbish.

Can't handle the obvious facts huh!! Hey, don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Do you work in the media??

[Headbanger]

Can't handle the obvious facts huh!! Hey, don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Do you work in the media??

Workplace incident investigations is a large part of my role.

And a major facet of that is causal, contributing and direct causes of incidents.

The speeding ute is a lemon.

I would be looking at the mentality of the driver of the police car and the culture within the workforce that could cause them to pull such a shit stunt (this could indicate if there were big issues within that work force that need to be challenged), then I would be looking to see if he had the proven capacity to identfy it as a dangerous maneuver, In this case I would be looking to see if he was fit for his role and if he had training specifically for the tasks he was undertaking.

Either way, at the end of the day, he is the cock, not the driver of the ute. There could have been 100 drivers in that area breaking the law and only one of them caused the death of another person.