Police killing us again!

[imac]

"Speed" is an "if" factor whereas pulling a stupid maneuver in a dangerous place is a "when" factor ....

What about speed in a dangerous place, surely that is a 'when' factor too?

[Scuba_Steve]

What about speed in a dangerous place, surely that is a 'when' factor too?

I see where your going but if it's a dangerous place, it's a dangerous place! regardless.
"Excessive speed" (too fast for conditions etc) I'd kick over to "dangerous driving" which is a "when" factor (if your a dangerous driver, your a dangerous driver & these people have opposites at the slow & dangerous positions too) but "speed" itself is just an "if" factor, It relies heavily on something else in the wrong circumstances before it becomes a problem.

[swbarnett]

your brain has to do a complete recalculation this takes time,

There's an easy answer to this - don't use your brain (at least not the conscious part) - it's too slow.

[Scuba_Steve]

There's an easy answer to this - don't use your brain (at least not the conscious part) - it's too slow.

These guys have tried that... hint, it doesn't bring the best outcomes.

[swbarnett]

"Speed" is an "if" factor whereas pulling a stupid maneuver in a dangerous place is a "when" factor

It could also be said that coming over a blind rise at over 150kph is also a "when" factor.

[swbarnett]

These guys have tried that... hint, it doesn't bring the best outcomes.

If you ride (or drive) enough you will start to recognise that most of what you do is automatic. What is happening is that your subconscious brain is taking over the actions that you do often enough. I have even had a situation where I wanted to hit the rear brake but my foot would not move. Afterwards I looked back and realised that if I'd hit the brake I almost certainly would've low-sided. My subconscious did the thinking for me and did a much better job.

[Scuba_Steve]

It could also be said that coming over a blind rise at over 150kph is also a "when" factor.

Nope an "if" factor as it is still heavily reliant on other factors to matter.

If you ride (or drive) enough you will start to recognise that most of what you do is automatic. What is happening is that your subconscious brain is taking over the actions that you do often enough. I have even had a situation where I wanted to hit the rear brake but my foot would not move. Afterwards I looked back and realised that if I'd hit the brake I almost certainly would've low-sided. My subconscious did the thinking for me and did a much better job.

FYI Those reaction times previous are based on subconscious, reaction is not really a conscious decision.

[Katman]

Nope an "if" factor as it is still heavily reliant on other factors to matter.

Keep clutching at those straws.

[Kickaha]

Nope an "if" factor as it is still heavily reliant on other factors to matter.

Bullshit it is, it's definitely a "when"

[Scuba_Steve]

Keep clutching at those straws.

Bullshit it is, it's definitely a "when"

hows it a when? if the PIG hadn't been in his lane how would have his (I see your choosing the upper & most likely far off limit) 150km/h mattered??? was the bike going to somehow destroy itself at that speed? maybee a little girl was going to spontaneously teleport onto the road because of the speed??? It was an "if" he knew the traffic (same lane) ahead, theres no houses for people to pull out of no real forceable danger, "if". The PIG was a "when" he did a 3-point-turn on the narrowest point with little visibility a foreseeable danger at every point.
If any of you are seriously trying to defend the PIG on this one you really need your fucking head checked!
But hey like I've offered to Katman I'm willing to offer to you others too, anytime you want to write-off your bike against the side of my landy just let me know. Of-course if you can pull your bike from 100km/h in 120m with a "surprise reaction" you get to keep your bike & I don't need dent repairs win-win. So anyone willing to put their money where their mouth is???

[Jack Miller]

If any of you are seriously trying to defend the PIG on this one you really need your fucking head checked!

Quite right. Even the Judge convicted him, which is not to say the cop was the only one at fault.

[ktm]

hows it a when? if the PIG hadn't been in his lane how would have his (I see your choosing the upper & most likely far off limit) 150km/h mattered??? was the bike going to somehow destroy itself at that speed? maybee a little girl was going to spontaneously teleport onto the road because of the speed??? It was an "if" he knew the traffic (same lane) ahead, theres no houses for people to pull out of no real forceable danger, "if". The PIG was a "when" he did a 3-point-turn on the narrowest point with little visibility a foreseeable danger at every point.
If any of you are seriously trying to defend the PIG on this one you really need your fucking head checked!
But hey like I've offered to Katman I'm willing to offer to you others too, anytime you want to write-off your bike against the side of my landy just let me know. Of-course if you can pull your bike from 100km/h in 120m with a "surprise reaction" you get to keep your bike & I don't need dent repairs win-win. So anyone willing to put their money where their mouth is???

Well put, only a complete fuck-wit would pull a U-Turn there, "I'll have him" was the quote, 150 kmh (shock horror) is not that fast on a modern bike, the PIG got away with murder, for $250.00. FUCK HIM the slimey arsewipe career hypocrite

[blackdog]

hows it a when? if the PIG hadn't been in his lane how would have his (I see your choosing the upper & most likely far off limit) 150km/h mattered??? was the bike going to somehow destroy itself at that speed? maybee a little girl was going to spontaneously teleport onto the road because of the speed??? It was an "if" he knew the traffic (same lane) ahead, theres no houses for people to pull out of no real forceable danger, "if". The PIG was a "when" he did a 3-point-turn on the narrowest point with little visibility a foreseeable danger at every point.
If any of you are seriously trying to defend the PIG on this one you really need your fucking head checked!
But hey like I've offered to Katman I'm willing to offer to you others too, anytime you want to write-off your bike against the side of my landy just let me know. Of-course if you can pull your bike from 100km/h in 120m with a "surprise reaction" you get to keep your bike & I don't need dent repairs win-win. So anyone willing to put their money where their mouth is???

Mate you are out to lunch.

It fucking scares me to think I share roads with you.

ANYONE travelling faster than it takes to stop in the amount of visible road ahead is a fucking liability.

To answer your question with a question, what is to say that someone hasn't lost an insecure load just around that corner that you haven't allowed yourself room to stop for? Sorry to burst your little 'I'm psychic' bubble, it's when not if.

[superman]

I think the policeman did a u-turn in a precarious position. I think the motorcyclist shouldn't have been hooning over a blind hill. Always pretend there's a cow on the road just out of your line of site is usually my rule.

Sad a dude died, sad a cop isn't smarter with his maneuvers
Not much one can do.

[Kickaha]

If any of you are seriously trying to defend the PIG on this one you really need your fucking head checked!

He deserved a fuck sight more than what he got and I haven't seen anyone "seriously" trying to defend him

150 kmh (shock horror) is not that fast on a modern bike,

It's fast enough to get you killed when things turn to custard and that 50kmh over the limit can make a big difference when you need to stop in a hurry