Police killing us again!

[_Shrek_]

I used to agree, but I now realise that with many motorcyclists you are dealing with the lowest common denominator. They can not recognise the right time & place even if it bites them om the arse , & very often it does.

actually trustme, I don't class myself or any of the other 85% of riders, as one of the lowest common denominators, I call it "testosterone" no matter where you are it has a tendency to take over if you don't keep it in check, no matter what the age wether it's 15 or 90, then it tends to bite you on the arse, some times worse than others

[scumdog]

The speed is never the issue, it's the time and place.

They are all equal parts of the equation.

Put all three together and it's speed being the one item that distinguishes 'oops' vs 'ouch'.

[Zedder]

They are all equal parts of the equation.

Put all three tpgether and it's speed being the one item that distinguishes 'oops' vs 'ouch'.

Yes,it's like the fire triangle: Fuel, air, ignition. You need all three elements to make it happen and if just one isn't present then there's no fire.

[oneofsix]

Yes,it's like the fire triangle: Fuel, air, ignition. You need all three elements to make it happen and if just one isn't present then there's no fire.

yes but where I don't agree totally with scumdog is the ouch factor all being down to speed. Like in the fire triangle more fuel doesn't always make in hotter, in fact too much fuel can put it out. As a general rule more speed does mean more ouch and more fuel means a bigger fire - but not always.

[Zedder]

yes but where I don't agree totally with scumdog is the ouch factor all being down to speed. Like in the fire triangle more fuel doesn't always make in hotter, in fact too much fuel can put it out. As a general rule more speed does mean more ouch and more fuel means a bigger fire - but not always.

Do you mean more speed but with high experience/skill can reduce the ouch factor a lot?

[oneofsix]

Do you mean more speed but with high experience/skill can reduce the ouch factor a lot?

more depends on the other factors, timing is a good one. Some times more speed at the right time means no ouch factor as the two vehicles are no longer trying to occupy the same space at the same time.

Another example of more speed helping is centripetal force being used to overcome wind gusts. Being a Wellington rider this one is in constant use.

[scumdog]

more depends on the other factors, timing is a good one. Some times more speed at the right time means no ouch factor as the two vehicles are no longer trying to occupy the same space at the same time.

[Scuba_Steve]

If speed killed Hammond would be dead!
The faster you go the quicker you get there.



(*Driving to the conditions)

[scumdog]

If speed killed Hammond would be dead!
The faster you go the quicker you get there.

You're leaving time and place out of the 'triangle' equation of course?

In that case your comment is worthless...

[T.W.R]

I call it "testosterone" no matter where you are it has a tendency to take over if you don't keep it in check, no matter what the age wether it's 15 or 90, then it tends to bite you on the arse, some times worse than others

EGO it is a failure of both genders

[PrincessBandit]

EGO it is a failure of both genders

Hmmm, well us ladies certainly don't have the testosterone levels you blokies do - although as I've gotten older I've noticed the annoying little old lady's 'tache starting to appear. (At least our raised t levels don't cause us to grow the other thing which heaps of guys tend to think with...)

But ego, I suppose women can suffer from that as well. Pretty sure though we tend to have more finely honed self-preservation skills and not quite the same need to prove ourselves (generally speaking).

[Biggles08]

Two blokes who habitually ride/drive together at high speed . They did not call themselves ' The Coro Demons ' for nothing . When asked about the coppers, the answer was no copper could catch them. Paul found out they can in the worst way possible.
A close friend had been telling me about these guys for probably 12/18 months.
I won't bore you with all the tales
My response was always that sooner or later , no matter how good a rider you are , at those speeds sooner or later either you or some one else will make a mistake & someone dies.
You really think there is no link, take a minute , think again, learn a good lesson.
I'd like to think people other than the cops learn from this mess.
I'm probably wrong on both counts.

While I don't necessarily agree or disagree with you trustme, the simple fact is that the $250 is a BS fine and this is the only point I cannot fathom. Regardless of ALL the other contributing factors in this crash, the judge actually said the cop was driving "dangerously" and made a "brief mistake" that was "inexcusable" yet he got off with a $250 fine?!?!? So the precedent is now set. Its a disgrace and this sentence is pathetic.

[saul]

While I don't necessarily agree or disagree with you trustme, the simple fact is that the $250 is a BS fine and this is the only point I cannot fathom. Regardless of ALL the other contributing factors in this crash, the judge actually said the cop was driving "dangerously" and made a "brief mistake" that was "inexcusable" yet he got off with a $250 fine?!?!? So the precedent is now set. Its a disgrace and this sentence is pathetic.

The sentence is a disgrace I do not know how the judge even got to this figure. If the hearing was held in a district court it won't set a precedent but bloody hell it's crazy sentencing

[T.W.R]

But ego, I suppose women can suffer from that as well. Pretty sure though we tend to have more finely honed self-preservation skills and not quite the same need to prove ourselves (generally speaking).

It's ego, equal for both, it's just how we project it

http://faculty.mdc.edu/jmcnair/Joe5p...the%20Self.htm

[trustme]

While I don't necessarily agree or disagree with you trustme, the simple fact is that the $250 is a BS fine and this is the only point I cannot fathom. Regardless of ALL the other contributing factors in this crash, the judge actually said the cop was driving "dangerously" and made a "brief mistake" that was "inexcusable" yet he got off with a $250 fine?!?!? So the precedent is now set. Its a disgrace and this sentence is pathetic.

I agree with you, I can understand why he did it, it was still a wrong decision & cost a life. $250 seems a very small price to pay.
There may be mitigating circumstances but plod certainly got off light.