What's happened to the Winter Series?

[Kickaha]

http://www.mrrda.com/public/classes.html

Good mix of classes and age groups but it doesn't look a lot different than what already exists here and doesn't really say what bikes they are using or are eligible

Their Junior four stroke is basically four stroke street stock bikes

250 Mono depending on what engines they are using also looks like it would drive the cost up at $15K new

250GP mono is already in the MNZ rule book if anyone wants to race one

[Billy]

Great streetstock riders will probably be great Superbike riders one day, you only have to look at the guys from the South to see how it works

I would doubt that very much, in fact I'd put $100 on it that he wouldn't even get close

Yip,I'll have a hundy on that as well,Just did a quick check on my laps and he was only in the mid 24s at Manfeild on an RS125,Matt Hoogie was doing mid 26s at the national round there in April on an RG150,I doubt he'd be much under a 1.31 on an RG

[Billy]

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT GREAT NZSBK RIDERS. IM TALKING ABOUT WHO COULD POTENTIALLY BE MOTO GP RIDERS. When a street stock rider does that ill eat my words. MX and Dirt Track riders are already there

Well theres already Dan Mettam and Jake Lewis doing the European cup and are still young enough too get there,Then theres Seth Devereux, Al and James Hoogie,Cam Jones,Eric Oliver Maxwell,Nick Cain,Alex Faulkner,Alex Bowers,Phillip Mair and countless others from the South Island that are still young enough and have shown theyve got plenty of talent to go on with it,Who knows how far they can go????And thats only out of the first wave of riders coming from down there,Theres plenty more on the way.

Ah ill forget trying to convince you guys, I can tell from the type of riders you are that your never gonna get my point

Theres the point right there,Its not about what sort of riders we are,Its supposed too be about bringing new blood into the sport and nurturing them,Whats happening in the South Island is already getting the job done,It doesnt need changing or improving,It just needs a GROUP of people in the North Island too start listening and following the advice given them by Oyster,Swerve and co,Then we'll see some real results,Reinventing the wheel and making it more expensive than it already is Won't end of story!!!

As far as me not supporting the superbike class goes,Thats just laughable,Ive helped out more Superbike and Supersport riders than youve met!! and the reason I dont anymore is because its not where the future of the sport lies and experience has taught me,Theyre the last people too thank you for the effort you put in,Because somehow the suppliers owe them already.

[slowpoke]

Great streetstock riders will probably be great Superbike riders one day, you only have to look at the guys from the South to see how it works

I'm looking forward to watching 'em come through the ranks. Unfortunately I can't help feeling that there is little structure or even a defined career path to foster the talent on the way through. You guys seem to have reasonable talent across the board but there just isn't the encouragement to progress through the ranks up here.

As far as me not supporting the superbike class goes,Thats just laughable,Ive helped out more Superbike and Supersport riders than youve met!! and the reason I dont anymore is because its not where the future of the sport lies and experience has taught me,Theyre the last people too thank you for the effort you put in,Because somehow the suppliers owe them already.

I for one appreciate what you've done for me in the past Billy, and have recommended your services to others wherever possible as a result, both outside and on this "highly esteemed" forum. Pity I'm not such a great advertisement for ya I'm afraid, so if you'd prefer I kept my gob shut I'd completely understand, lol.

Superbike class not the future of the sport? These kids will eventually need the best springboard they can get to jump overseas, and success on the big bangers provides a lot of leverage. I just wish we saw a few more youngsters fast tracked through the classes to get there. My personal vision would be to see every class playing a role in developing young riders as they progress in age, skill, strength etc.

It was great having Nick Cole and James Smith jump the ditch this weekend, and a tough ask to compete at a meeting with so little track time, but it also highlights the depth of field in Oz that our best young'uns have to front up to. And it's another step up again to progress from there. So to compete we need to be very strategic in progressing our best and brightest...but there isn't the strategy there at the moment.

[cowpoos]

Now c'mere and give us a hug ya lil' cutie: you haven't had real luvvin' 'til you've had some ginga luvvin!

oh dear gwad spud....are you stuck on a oil rig in the indian ocean with lots of males and nothing to do but think????

[cowpoos]

Great streetstock riders will probably be great Superbike riders one day, you only have to look at the guys from the South to see how it works

okay okay....I still think your missing Chops point...sure a streetstock rider will probally be fast on superbike one day....but of equal experience...and MX kid will blow away a tarmac only kid anyday...the skills they develop off road are too a much much higher level that on tarmac.

how about we round up two 12 year olds...let choppa choose the mx rider and who ever chooses the streetstock or what ever class rider...give them both a day on a 600 and see who's faster...my money will def be on the MX kid!!

[cowpoos]

okay okay....I still think your missing Chops point...sure a streetstock rider will probally be fast on superbike one day....but of equal experience...and MX kid will blow away a tarmac only kid anyday...the skills they develop off road are too a much much higher level that on tarmac.

how about we round up two 12 year olds...let choppa choose the mx rider and who ever chooses the streetstock or what ever class rider...give them both a day on a 600 and see who's faster...my money will def be on the MX kid!!

and to finish my point....thats why we need to attract them to roadrace...they will be fast and successful riders. and they will love it!

[slowpoke]

oh dear gwad spud....are you stuck on a oil rig in the indian ocean with lots of males and nothing to do but think????

Yup....now about those pic's of you in the leopard print mankini.....

[Billy]

okay okay....I still think your missing Chops point...sure a streetstock rider will probally be fast on superbike one day....but of equal experience...and MX kid will blow away a tarmac only kid anyday...the skills they develop off road are too a much much higher level that on tarmac.

how about we round up two 12 year olds...let choppa choose the mx rider and who ever chooses the streetstock or what ever class rider...give them both a day on a 600 and see who's faster...my money will def be on the MX kid!!

Based on what Ryan??? Choppa's wizz kid at Manfeild last weekend was circulating in the mid 1.24s on a grand prix 125 in comparison,Tyler Lincoln 1.28 flat on a KR 150,The GP bike with an equal rider on it should be 10 secs a lap faster,Tyler Lincoln has no MX experience to speak of,Outside of bucket racing has competed in 5 roadrace meetings to date,Sure it would be great to get some junior MX riders to move across,But changing the bikes just to suit them just aint gonna happen while the South Islanders are having the success they are currently enjoying.

[CHOPPA]

Based on what Ryan??? Choppa's wizz kid at Manfeild last weekend was circulating in the mid 1.24s on a grand prix 125 in comparison,Tyler Lincoln 1.28 flat on a KR 150,The GP bike with an equal rider on it should be 10 secs a lap faster,Tyler Lincoln has no MX experience to speak of,Outside of bucket racing has competed in 5 roadrace meetings to date,Sure it would be great to get some junior MX riders to move across,But changing the bikes just to suit them just aint gonna happen while the South Islanders are having the success they are currently enjoying.

I cant claim him, thats all Jamie Rajeks effort right there but I will help if possible. That was his first weekend on a road bike his progress up the time sheets will be very fast. Id say give him 1 year and he would be challenging the front of 125gp at the age of 14 to be in that position would give him a very bright looking career

[Billy]

Jamie Rajek is doing a bloody good thing with some young guys and in particular Cohen Chase. He is a 13 year old champion MX rider. In his own words he didnt want to ride the street stock because its a piece of shit instead opting for a 125gp bike. I have been helping him today while Jamie was busy with Avalon and that kid is very impressive in only his first ride.

He would smoke every street stock rider already and he is only just 13.

REMEMBER THIS STATEMENT ???

Id say give him 1 year and he would be challenging the front of 125gp at the age of 14 to be in that position would give him a very bright looking career

Possibly your right,But I'll bet you hes battling with Tyler Lincoln who is also only 13 and shows more promise than ANYBODY else from the North Island has at this stage of his career !!!

Your probably right when you state he didnt want to ride a streetstock if he was offered The wolfpack racing machine,While I'm sure Jamie and co put a lot of time and effort into preparation and maintenance,They didnt do much in the way of presentation,Image is everything as Im sure your aware,Next time your in the SI have a look around some of the streetstock bikes,You'll be impressed with their efforts!!

[cowpoos]

Yup....now about those pic's of you in the leopard print mankini.....

Sent........................