Benefits

[mashman]

Yes there needs to be a bigger picture but trying to get to the end in one go just makes it all that much harder.

You're just taunting me now, aren't ya ...

[imdying]

Your right if people don't want to work that's fine, just don't expect to be paid for that choice. and why should i pay for that?

That's fine. You can choose to build a society that revolves around money, and then choose not to pay what you probably consider to be subclasses a benefit.

But you'll reap what you sow.

That's why we pay benefits... because the people (puppeteers) smarter than your dumb arse realise that.

You'll never be my equal though mate, you haven't got the balls.

[avgas]

If people don't want to work, why do you think that you should be able to make them? People are not your fucking slaves.

Vice versa really. People are not other peoples money tree's.

I don't think that people should be forced to work. I simply think that they should not be paid not to work.

Like I said before.

Work or Die/starve/beg.....

[imdying]

I don't think that people should be forced to work. I simply think that they should not be paid not to work.

Like I said before.

Work or Die/starve/beg.....

Steal/defraud/kill... If you don't pay the peasants, they're more likely to revolt.

Whether to pay them or not in a society like ours isn't really the question, it's how much do we need to pay them to keep them down?

[shrub]

Steal/defraud/kill... If you don't pay the peasants, they're more likely to revolt.

Whether to pay them or not in a society like ours isn't really the question, it's how much do we need to pay them to keep them down?

Or maybe a better approach is what do we need pay them to get them up? Personally I believe that the overwhelming majority of people on a benefit would much rather have work, so what can we do to get them working?

I was reading an article about the Rooseveld New Deal and what the Swedes did around the same time, and I wondered why we don't try something similar. I mean the approach being used by the current lot has never really worked anywhere, so why not try something that has worked in the past? Or at least a variation on the theme.

[imdying]

Or maybe a better approach is what do we need pay them to get them up? Personally I believe that the overwhelming majority of people on a benefit would much rather have work, so what can we do to get them working?

Quite possibly. I don't know that many beneficiaries, but the two I have the most contact with have absolutely no desire to work (full time). They also have no desire to be criminals, cause anybody any trouble, they just like to be left alone to do their thing.

They both work when it suits them, and one of them is actually quite a skilled worker in his field.

Sure we could force them into full time employment, but they won't enjoy that, and I hold enjoying life over conforming to society. Sure that means I foot the bill, but I'm happy and comfortable, it's probably the least I can do for my fellow man.

If everybody had their view, with our current society with it's grand plans of becoming bigger brighter and more prosperous, yes, we'd be screwed. But are those goals worthy? Do we really need society to keep pushing forward economically at all cost? Has it really served us that well?

[shrub]

Do we really need society to keep pushing forward economically at all cost? Has it really served us that well?

Errr... um, well.... Jeez mate, don't ask questions like that! Don't you listen to the advertising?

[imdying]

Mmmmm... I can see why some people want to step out of society. So long as they make some contribution, then I'm happy to pay their way, even if that contribution is as simple as doing others no harm. Ideally something more community (not society) minded would be nice, but no biggy.

[avgas]

Steal/defraud/kill... If you don't pay the peasants, they're more likely to revolt.

Whether to pay them or not in a society like ours isn't really the question, it's how much do we need to pay them to keep them down?

In any other country I would agree with you. But in NZ if you removed the benefit, possibly half would complain. 1/3 would change their lives and the remainder would simply disappear.

Tis the problem with giving away things, it always attracts more.

Now giving them a choice.
Work = money
No work = do you own life things = no money.......

[avgas]

Mmmmm... I can see why some people want to step out of society. So long as they make some contribution, then I'm happy to pay their way, even if that contribution is as simple as doing others no harm. Ideally something more community (not society) minded would be nice, but no biggy.

Don't confuse those who step out of society to those whom collect benefits.

One circle is not inside the other


I have no issue at all of people who step out of society. I wouldn't mind being one myself one day.

Subject is about being paid for nothing.

[imdying]

I'm not sure how to reply to that, neither of those posts appear to make a point, or make any sense.

[BoristheBiter]

You're just taunting me now, aren't ya ...

Yes sorry i was

You'll never be my equal though mate, you haven't got the balls.

Yep mine aren't blue.

[imdying]

Yep mine aren't blue.

Smurfette is that you?

[avgas]

I'm not sure how to reply to that, neither of those posts appear to make a point, or make any sense.

Getting benefit != Escaping Society
The 2 can be exclusive.

Current issue is on whom should be paid what. Not why.

[imdying]

Getting benefit != Escaping Society
The 2 can be exclusive.

Nobody suggested anything to the contrary... you may have interpreted it that way perhaps.

Current issue is on whom should be paid what. Not why.

Those two issues however, cannot be separated. If there's no why, then there's no whom or what.