Benefits

[BoristheBiter]

Nobody suggested anything to the contrary... you may have interpreted it that way perhaps.

Those two issues however, cannot be separated. If there's no why, then there's no whom or what.

Right, and if there is no work then there is no money.

[mashman]

7000+ beneficiaries found jobs last month.

[Winston001]

Steal/defraud/kill... If you don't pay the peasants, they're more likely to revolt.

...it's how much do we need to pay them to keep them down?

A privileged point of view only possible from a position of wealth.


Meanwhile in the real world - Why don't we see constant revolution among the 5 billion who have no welfare support at all?

[Usarka]

7000+ beneficiaries found jobs last month.

Yeah that doesn't mention the simultaneuous increase in dpb and sickness benefit.

[mashman]

Yeah that doesn't mention the simultaneuous increase in dpb and sickness benefit.

in true KB fashion... and you have the source to back that up?

[mashman]

Meanwhile in the real world - Why don't we see constant revolution among the 5 billion who have no welfare support at all?

because they spend all day searching for food and water?
because they don't have access to the "resources" required for successful revolution?
because they hold life more dear than those who would happily sell them down the river for a $?
because they do not have the "ability" to gather en masse easily and quickly?
because those who they would oppose have trained "forces" that would be used against them?
because they're forcibly enslaved/fear of life etc...?
because they wouldn't know what to do with the power once they got it?

likely several thousand more reasons why the real world doesn't/can't/won't revolt...

[racefactory]

Quite possibly. I don't know that many beneficiaries, but the two I have the most contact with have absolutely no desire to work (full time). They also have no desire to be criminals, cause anybody any trouble, they just like to be left alone to do their thing.

They both work when it suits them, and one of them is actually quite a skilled worker in his field.

Sure we could force them into full time employment, but they won't enjoy that, and I hold enjoying life over conforming to society. Sure that means I foot the bill, but I'm happy and comfortable, it's probably the least I can do for my fellow man.

If everybody had their view, with our current society with it's grand plans of becoming bigger brighter and more prosperous, yes, we'd be screwed. But are those goals worthy? Do we really need society to keep pushing forward economically at all cost? Has it really served us that well?

Steal/defraud/kill... If you don't pay the peasants, they're more likely to revolt.

Whether to pay them or not in a society like ours isn't really the question, it's how much do we need to pay them to keep them down?

That's fine. You can choose to build a society that revolves around money, and then choose not to pay what you probably consider to be subclasses a benefit.

But you'll reap what you sow.

That's why we pay benefits... because the people (puppeteers) smarter than your dumb arse realise that.

You'll never be my equal though mate, you haven't got the balls.

^ This guy know's what he's talking about.

Excellently put, seeing it all from afar.

[racefactory]

This is rubbish.

The majority of society that believes working is king, that giving a third or more of your life to make other people rich, is the way to go. Good on them. However there is no reason why everybody should have to follow that path.

This is a fact. We already know this to be true. We currently do not expect prisoners, pensioners, or children to work. We know that the world doesn't collapse if we don't all do what is the current norm as we've had the majority of humanities life span with prisoners, pensioners, and children, working.

You can either pay a benefit to those people who do not want to follow the path of all the other sheeple, or you can suffer the result of giving them no other option than to live in the one narrow minded society we currently have without money.

Really, as I've said many times before, the problem is one of over population. We don't have 200,000 unemployed in this country, we have about 2,000,000 more people than we need.

This is quality shit. Why can't more people think outside the box and see this?

It's the self preserving mechanism of our monetary-based social paradigm and just how deluded are we all by it...

Population, also such an overlooked factor in these problems. Human reproduction needs to be outlawed in some form. Weighing down society by getting the dole? Come on, isn't it ineffably worse for society to burden resources by selfishly spawning oneself in an already overloaded environment? People are just too PC to face this very real issue though, it's always the others that need to do something.

[racefactory]

99% of recruitment agents are scum bags who don't have an HR bone in their body. Its the scum we seemed to have sucked from UK and Canada.

I would rather go to a blind dentist. Argh you have got me started on recruitment agents I need to go sit down.

No, do tell. Let us gather around the fire and hear of the terrible evil that are the recruitment agencies; herding up droves of fellow compatriots and sorting them onto the slave wagon to be fed into camps of doom. Of course staffed by a bunch of commission hungry sharks who'll be all over you like flies around shit if they think they can make a buck out of you, until they think they can't make any money out of you!

[avgas]

No, do tell. Let us gather around the fire and hear of the terrible evil that are the recruitment agencies; herding up droves of fellow compatriots onto the slave wagon and fed into camps of doom. Of course staffed by a bunch of commission hungry sharks who'll be all over you like flies around shit if they think they can make a buck out of you, until they think they can't make any money out of you!

Now that we have talked about how politicians get votes let get back to the topic about recruitment agents

[BoristheBiter]

No, do tell. Let us gather around the fire and hear of the terrible evil that are the recruitment agencies; herding up droves of fellow compatriots onto the slave wagon and fed into camps of doom. Of course staffed by a bunch of commission hungry sharks who'll be all over you like flies around shit if they think they can make a buck out of you, until they think they can't make any money out of you!

So you do know more about them then you let on.

[avgas]

You were broke - not poor - it's a mental thing - makes a big difference

You are right. (secret mystery man )
But how we change the perception of the poor? Money clearly does not resolve this.

[shrub]

because they spend all day searching for food and water?
because they don't have access to the "resources" required for successful revolution?
because they hold life more dear than those who would happily sell them down the river for a $?
because they do not have the "ability" to gather en masse easily and quickly?
because those who they would oppose have trained "forces" that would be used against them?
because they're forcibly enslaved/fear of life etc...?
because they wouldn't know what to do with the power once they got it?

likely several thousand more reasons why the real world doesn't/can't/won't revolt...

Pretty much spot on. Going back to when i did my pols degree I did a paper on political insurrection and a severely downtrodden populace is very unlikely to rebel for those reasons. Also the likelihood of political insurrection is strongly influenced by aspirations of the populace - they believe they can have more and resent that they aren't getting it combined with sufficient resources to mobilise and fight - in Libya they had AKs and Hilux utes plus people were able to feed and house the rebels.

[imdying]

Right, and if there is no work then there is no money.

You jest? There will always be money (or I guess rather there will always be an economy ).

Why don't we see constant revolution among the 5 billion who have no welfare support at all?

The gap (rich/poor divide) in this country isn't that huge, the great unwashed still have some power (this is generally never realised though as New Zealanders are unable to get worked up about anything for more than a week).

The gap in those countries that you refer to is big, often huge. One million guys with rice bowls and malnutrition versus one hundred fit guys with AKs... now ask yourself, why don't we see constant revolution??

We do however see occasional revolution, when some charismatic pinko comes along and convinces his brothers to rise up die for his cause.

[avgas]

There will always be money

Can't the same be said for work?