Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[ducatilover]

MOST speedos are optimistic.

My Morrie was.... Hard to imagine going slower than that.
My last BMW was doing 98 at an indicated 100, close enough

[Zedder]

My Morrie was.... Hard to imagine going slower than that.
My last BMW was doing 98 at an indicated 100, close enough

I'll do that speedo cheek for my ZZR400.

By the way, have you got any after market exhaust pipes for one?

[ducatilover]

I'll do that speedo cheek for my ZZR400.

By the way, have you got any after market exhaust pipes for one?

I have, but they're in the process of being shortened. They're Neptunes and will sound awesome.
What model 400 have you got? K or L?

[DEATH_INC.]

any enforcer that wanted to take it that far would almost certainly have to lie about some aspect to get it there, which would be very risky for them.

From My own personal experience, this wouldn't be too big of a risk for them.

[Zedder]

I have, but they're in the process of being shortened. They're Neptunes and will sound awesome.
What model 400 have you got? K or L?

It's a K model.

[scumdog]

Still not necessarily. The Road User Rule provides a number of exceptions where it is not wrong to exceed the speed limit yet the Police sometimes still try and issue tickets in those circumstances.

Hmmmm...

Drivers must not exceed speed limits

(1) A driver must not drive a vehicle at a speed exceeding the applicable speed limit (being a permanent, variable, holiday, urban, rural, temporary, or other speed limit).

(2) The fact that a vehicle is driven at a speed that does not exceed the applicable speed limit does not excuse an alleged breach of a provision of any other Part of this rule.

(3) A driver who drives at a speed exceeding the applicable speed limit is not in breach of subclause (1) if the driver proves that, at the time the vehicle was being driven,—

(a) the vehicle was being used by an enforcement officer engaged on urgent duty and compliance with the speed limit would be likely to prevent the execution of the officer's duty; or

(b) the vehicle was an emergency vehicle being used in an emergency and was operating a red beacon or a siren, or both; or

(c) the vehicle was being used (on a road subject to a speed limit of 60 km per hour or more) to convey a member of the Executive Council engaged on urgent public business, or to convey any other person authorised for the purpose by the Minister and engaged on urgent public business in the execution of the person's functions.

That is really going to get a lot on here off their speeding tickets eh...

Compare: SR 1976/227 r 21(11)

[Parlane]

Nice sidestep SD ;D

Was c) Added in so that the prime minister could tell their driver to make it snappidity quick?

[Jantar]

... (c) the vehicle was being used (on a road subject to a speed limit of 60 km per hour or more) to convey a member of the Executive Council engaged on urgent public business, or to convey any other person authorised for the purpose by the Minister and engaged on urgent public business in the execution of the person's functions......

This was the defence used by Heil Clark's drivers. So we now have a precedent that getting to a rugby match is urgent public business.

[swbarnett]

why is it that those that complain the most about traffic policing shortfalls in NZ have never worked for Police?

And are never likely to.

Yet they still know how it SHOULD be done.

Why don't they join and 'make a difference'.

Probably because it's too hard and they know they couldn't.

Not at all.

We either:

1. Don't believe in the philosophy of "absolute safety at all costs".

2. Don't believe that we have a safety problem on the road.

3. Haven't had our perceptions slanted by having to attend more than our share of incidents where things do go wrong and don't want to.

[scumdog]

Not at all.

We either:

1. Don't believe in the philosophy of "absolute safety at all costs".

2. Don't believe that we have a safety problem on the road.

3. Haven't had our perceptions slanted by having to attend more than our share of incidents where things do go wrong and don't want to.

1. I for one don't operate a 'safety at all costs' philosophy - and I don't know of any of my workmates I could put in that catagory

2. I see your point, people just expire messily on the roads with their safety not being compromised...

3. So join up and see if you can overcome this 'syndrome' you've decribed - lead the way and all that!

[swbarnett]

1. I for one don't operate a 'safety at all costs' philosophy - and I don't know of any of my workmates I could put in that catagory

Good for you!

2. I see your point, people just expire messily on the roads with their safety not being compromised...

Just because accidents happen doesn't mean we have a safety problem. Remember that there are humans involved. We are fallible beings and some degree of error must be accepted as normal. Sometimes that error will have tragic consequences.

3. So join up and see if you can overcome this 'syndrome' you've decribed - lead the way and all that!

I doubt they'd take me. Too old and unfit. Besides, there are too many laws on the books I don't agree with that I'd have to enforce.

[Kickaha]

Not at all.

We either:

2. Don't believe that we have a safety problem on the road.

You'd have to be pretty thick not to believe that one, either that or you don't ever ride/drive on the road and see the dumb shit that happens every day

[Ocean1]

You'd have to be pretty thick not to believe that one, either that or you don't ever ride/drive on the road and see the dumb shit that happens every day

So, if you explain real slow maybe I'll get it...

How many kilometers travelled on NZ roads last year? : http://www.mfe.govt.nz/environmental...led/total-vkt/ Call it 40,000,000,000

How many fatalities? : http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/road-deaths/toll.html 370 last year.

So, we travel 108108108 kilometers per death.

So by all means call me thick, but where's the problem?

[scumdog]

So, if you explain real slow maybe I'll get it...

How many kilometers travelled on NZ roads last year? : http://www.mfe.govt.nz/environmental...led/total-vkt/ Call it 40,000,000,000

How many fatalities? : http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/road-deaths/toll.html 370 last year.

So, we travel 108108108 kilometers per death.

So by all means call me thick, but where's the problem?

I'd say ask somebody whose relation has been killed by the dangerous/stupid/drunk/careless act of another driver, they might know..

[Ocean1]

I'd say ask somebody whose relation has been killed by the dangerous/stupid/drunk/careless act of another driver, they might know..

Yeah, 'cause they'll have a real rational grip on the issue. Almost as good as a traffic officer.